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footofgod Joined: 10.21.2009 Total Games: 0 W/L %: 0 Avg CD: 0 Full Stats	Posted: Oct 21st 2009, 06:41 pm Post subject: Bouncing Every Shot- Exploiting the rules I'm going to be perfectly honest, I don't like competitive beer pong. I think it is a joke, it's not a sport, you guys are not athletes, and not a game meant to be taken this seriously: it is meaningless male competition at its finest and that's the whole point. Take out the "meaningless," and you take out the true meaning. Also, the rules in place make it really fucking boring, and the fact that you don't have to drink your beer and get shitfaced makes it little more than the World Series of Bozo the Clown. ************************************************ ******************** Before I continue, don't waste your time telling me to come win $50,000, telling me I can't shoot, etc. Shove it up your ass if you can't put your dissent into a solid rebuttal. The above is just my opinion, and I've said why. ************************************************ ********************* So, my not-so-new strategy is to bounce every shot, at least until you get to a rack of 3 cups, using maximum leaning. Doing this myself, I get to 3 cups in a maximum of 5 turns, and an average of a little more than 4 (usually its 3 cups a turn, sometimes 2, rarely 1). The key is to HOW you bounce the ball. If you are leaning almost all the way over the table, you can very, very lightly heft the ball up, making it very slowly and efforlessly bounce to above the rack. It's practically like taking a ten inch shot, but with a little (not much, I make the cup I aim for usually) less accuracy. Also, if you do mess up, which is hard, your chances of getting an accidental cup are monumental. I can say that, like this, with these rules, I shoot on a WSOBP level, and probably even better at a rack of 6 or more (we're talking 9 out of 10 shots). Here are a short list of other advantages to this system: (1) with a little bit of practice, your shot and your teammate's shot will be almost indistiguishable because it is such an easy method (2) you practically can't get distracted (3) anybody, bad OR good, can do it (4) takes FULL advantage of leaning, your arm is practically completely outstretched and it doesn't cramp the shot (4) WHEN you lose, there's no way it will be by much unless you're an absolute failure The common criticisms are, and are likely going to be again: (1) no true player with self-respect would do this and (2) this is a crutch for people who can't shoot, and you're a total queer if you do this. Here is my response to that: (1) Funny, I say the same thing about leaning and, really, about playing in the WSOBP in the first place. The common response is "if you're competing for $50,000, you're going to do whatever gives you the advantage." Well, there you have it. Is anyone gonna tell me that, if they could just "make" more cups, they wouldn't? It's the same thing as leaning if you're tall- exploiting the rules to create an advantage for yourself and, unless you shoot 100%, you WILL make more cups, and therefore have better odds of winning. And if you can master a normal shot, you can master a really, REALLY easy aimed bounce. (2) No. What if you can shoot. What if the champs used this, and when they got down to 3 cups just 1-2-3'd it and shot about 6 perfect games a match? And,look like a total queer? You're at the WSOBP. To me you already look like a total queer, and 7 foot people leaning makes them look like Freddy fucking Mercury, so let's just agree to disagree here. Once again, the argument is "whatever works," and that's what I'm saying. So, I'd love to see some average team make a good run using this strategy. I'm sure they won't because beer pong is SO SERIOUS to everyone here, even if it totally worked and you could shoot near-perfect games every time, people would still want to prove that their competitors. But that's my whole point, the way the WSOBP is set up, it's not a competition already, and the rules are already exploited, so you might as well look like a fag and make more cups, JUST like leaning to gain an advantage and JUST like not getting hammered to keep an advantage. There is no difference. Last edited on Oct 23rd 2009, 03:19 am
gshunt Joined: 10.25.2008 Age: 24 Total Games: 326 W/L %: 74.54 Avg CD: 1.73 Full Stats	Posted: Oct 21st 2009, 07:19 pm Post subject: Bouncing Every Shot- Exploiting the rules I realize that in your post you requested that if one was going to dissent with your post to put a solid arguement forth for why, but I simply don't think your post warrants me taking the time to put come up with a set of claims and then justifications for them, instead I'll leave you with this: Do it, do your lean bounce shot. No really come to the WS and do it, you'll have a great time. Hopefully other people will heed your post who are just average players, work to do the lean bounce, and pay good money to enter Billy and Duncan's tournament. I think you'll all have a great time at the event regardless of how your record ends up, and you'll see its actually alot of fun, not this big ordeal that you seem to feel competitive beer pong is. Trust me, it really is a good time. In regards to how you (or others) will do with this lean bouce shot, personally I think you'll get crushed. I may be wrong, but I doubt it. Everyone thinks they're good till they get to the WS, then they see it just isn't as easy as you expected. You might make day 3 with it if you shoot as high a percentage as it sounds like you are claiming (and I'm far from sold on that just to unintentional reporting bias), if so awesome, but my money is on no further than that. I'm pretty sure that against any tier one or tier two team shooting a game of pong representative of their skill setting you'll just get rolled. All that said the WS is tons of fun, I mean you're in Vegas playing beer pong with the beer included, its a good ass time. -Grady Last edited on Oct 21st 2009, 07:20 pm
onlyecu4me Joined: 09.28.2007 Age: 29 Total Games: 58 W/L %: 65.52 Avg CD: 0.95 Full Stats	Posted: Oct 21st 2009, 07:34 pm Post subject: Bouncing Every Shot- Exploiting the rules You're making fun of people taking beer pong so seriously when you are posting on a beer pong message board. To me, that makes you incredibly pathetic. Obviously you think the WSOBP is stupid because you suck ass at the game and probably have never won anything. I don't like women's golf but I don't go on the lpga boards and talk smack. Get a fucking life you loser.
thenamesmonroe Joined: 10.04.2007 Age: 26 Total Games: 39 W/L %: 53.85 Avg CD: 0.28 Full Stats	Posted: Oct 21st 2009, 07:42 pm Post subject: Bouncing Every Shot- Exploiting the rules your claims are weak and suspect at best. im assuming your game shares the same qualities.
mikevit Joined: 04.30.2008 Age: 26 Total Games: 147 W/L %: 74.83 Avg CD: 2.01 Full Stats	Posted: Oct 21st 2009, 07:51 pm Post subject: Bouncing Every Shot- Exploiting the rules "footofgod" I'm going to be perfectly honest, I don't like competitive beer pong. I think it is a joke, it's not a sport, you guys are not athletes, and not a game meant to be taken this seriously: it is meaningless male competition at its finest and that's the whole point. Take out the "meaningless," and you take out the true meaning. Also, the rules in place make it really fucking boring, and the fact that you don't have to drink your beer and get shitfaced makes it little more than the World Series of Bozo the Clown. ************************************************ ********************* Before I continue, don't waste your time telling me to come win $50,000, telling me I can't shoot, etc. Shove it up your ass if you can't put your dissent into a solid rebuttal. The above is just my opinion, and I've said why. ************************************************ ********************* So, my not-so-new strategy is to bounce every shot, at least until you get to a rack of 3 cups, using maximum leaning. Doing this myself, I get to 3 cups in a maximum of 5 turns, and an average of a little more than 4 (usually its 3 cups a turn, sometimes 2, rarely 1). The key is to HOW you bounce the ball. If you are leaning almost all the way over the table, you can very, very lightly heft the ball up, making it very slowly and efforlessly bounce to above the rack. It's practically like taking a ten inch shot, but with a little (not much, I make the cup I aim for usually) less accuracy. Also, if you do mess up, which is hard, your chances of getting an accidental cup are monumental. I can say that, like this, with these rules, I shoot on a WSOBP level, and probably even better at a rack of 6 or more (we're talking 9 out of 10 shots). Here are a short list of other advantages to this system: (1) with a little bit of practice, your shot and your teammate's shot will be almost indistiguishable because it is such an easy method (2) you practically can't get distracted (3) anybody, bad OR good, can do it (4) takes FULL advantage of leaning, your arm is practically completely outstretched and it doesn't cramp the shot (4) WHEN you lose, there's no way it will be by much unless you're an absolute failure The common criticisms are, and are likely going to be again: (1) no true player with self-respect would do this and (2) this is a crutch for people who can't shoot, and you're a total queer if you do this. Here is my response to that: (1) Funny, I say the same thing about leaning and, really, about playing in the WSOBP in the first place. The common response is "if you're competing for $50,000, you're going to do whatever gives you the advantage." Well, there you have it. Is anyone gonna tell me that, if they could just "make" more cups, they wouldn't? It's the same thing as leaning if you're tall- exploiting the rules to create an advantage for yourself and, unless you shoot 100%, you WILL make more cups, and therefore have better odds of winning. And if you can master a normal shot, you can master a really, REALLY easy aimed bounce. (2) No. What if you can shoot. What if the champs used this, and when they got down to 3 cups just 1-2-3'd it and shot about 6 perfect games a match? And,look like a total queer? You're at the WSOBP. To me you already look like a total queer, and 7 foot people leaning makes them look like Freddy fucking Mercury, so let's just agree to disagree here. Once again, the argument is "whatever works," and that's what I'm saying. So, I'd love to see some average team make a good run using this strategy. I'm sure they won't because beer pong is SO SERIOUS to everyone here, even if it totally worked and you could shoot near-perfect games every time, people would still want to prove that their competitors. But that's my whole point, the way the WSOBP is set up, it's not a competition already, and the rules are already exploited, so you might as well look like a fag and make more cups, JUST like leaning to gain an advantage and JUST like not getting hammered to keep an advantage. There is no difference. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0&NR=1 Last edited on Oct 23rd 2009, 03:20 am
grac112 Joined: 07.17.2008 Age: 34 Total Games: 333 W/L %: 64.86 Avg CD: 0.89 Full Stats	Posted: Oct 21st 2009, 08:15 pm Post subject: Bouncing Every Shot- Exploiting the rules hahaha the youtube post was great!
footofgod Joined: 10.21.2009 Total Games: 0 W/L %: 0 Avg CD: 0 Full Stats	Posted: Oct 21st 2009, 08:33 pm Post subject: Bouncing Every Shot- Exploiting the rules "gshunt" I realize that in your post you requested that if one was going to dissent with your post to put a solid arguement forth for why... -Grady Why would I go pay $500 (just in EF) to go "have fun" when I can have even more fun at my own house, or do other fun stuff in Vegas, save $500, and play some beer pong anyway? I don't buy this cop-out for a second. Read the posts here, people take this VERY seriously. And nobody is getting the big points, probably because they don't want to give any credibility to what I'm saying. I love playing beer pong, that's why my curiousity brought me here, but I see this silliness combined with how seriously people take it, and it makes me laugh. Why I'm ranting with some fervor mostly stems from the attitude of response almost everyone seems to have to the oldest of arguments: the elbow rule. This may not be you, but the general consensus of those who disagree is that people who use the elbow rule can't play, it doesn't give tall people a huge advantage or, if it does, it SHOULD because they're just more fit "athletes." Give me a break. What if this worked, and suddenly the finals was people doing this: virtually not playing beer pong at all? That's how I see the rule setup: virtually not playing beer pong at all. This tournament does not resemble the way almost anybody plays when they' are truly having fun with the game.
polohero Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 28 Total Games: 61 W/L %: 47.54 Avg CD: 0.02 Full Stats	Posted: Oct 21st 2009, 09:07 pm Post subject: Bouncing Every Shot- Exploiting the rules "footofgod" "gshunt" I realize that in your post you requested that if one was going to dissent with your post to put a solid arguement forth for why... -Grady Why would I go pay $500 (just in EF) to go "have fun" when I can have even more fun at my own house, or do other fun stuff in Vegas, save $500, and play some beer pong anyway? $500 is hotel too. But even still. You wouldn't have more fun at your own house, and you won't have more fun on a normal vegas trip. It's a vegas trip PLUS the world series. If you enjoy the competition of beer pong, why not play it all day against a lot of people that are good, making it more enjoyable? Then, since you enjoy vegas, do your vegas stuff too. Last edited on Oct 21st 2009, 09:07 pm
cobra Joined: 09.25.2006 Age: 28 Total Games: 81 W/L %: 61.73 Avg CD: 1.31 Full Stats	Posted: Oct 21st 2009, 09:20 pm Post subject: Bouncing Every Shot- Exploiting the rules As someone who has been to the WSOBP every year, I do agree with you. I was actually trying to get my partner to do this as he is 6'4 6'5 (before your post). Like, you said, he would look retarded, but hey, do whatever it takes to win. We didnt really try to master this shot, but I did feel like it would be incredibly easy. We just gave up. But like you said, once you get down to 3 cups, 2 cups, or 1 cup, its probably best to shoot as the lean bounce will probably not be so efficient. Theres not really a reason to have two shots for the WSOBP. I thought I read somewhere that Billy and Duncan were discussing taking the bounce shot completely out of the WSOBP. I dont know if they have reached a conclusion on that or not ( or i might be making it up all together). Everyone knows why they allow the bouncing, but its probably time to get rid of it. I do feel like people are getting better every year, to the point where it looks like people don't miss anymore. A lot of this has to do with the increase popularity and the coverage, and the money. But leaning is probably the biggest factor. I say about 90% of players lean. Some players just have their elbows cross the plane of the table. I don't how know how Billy and Duncan imagined it would be allowing leaning and not having an elbow rule, but the leaning at the WSOBP is very extreme. I know you guys tried to make it where you can lean only if you have two feet on the ground, but I guess even that is hard to regulate. Now we really do have players leaning like flamingos. But it works. I, for one, think the evolution of beer pong is longer tables.
footofgod Joined: 10.21.2009 Total Games: 0 W/L %: 0 Avg CD: 0 Full Stats	Posted: Oct 21st 2009, 09:37 pm Post subject: Bouncing Every Shot- Exploiting the rules If they made it to where it could bounce after making contact with a cup, wouldn't it ? But then, once again, just not very fun to me. I don't see a need to go play an inferior, less complicated version of the game. I guess to each their own, but I want people to understand there are perfectly legitimate reasons to dissent. And to everyone on here that acts like a bunch of elitists with their hypocrite attitude, their "you think you're good until you come here," shut the fuck up, you're ruining any ability for me to believe that this is just a big, fun event as opposed to a frat boy ego match. And until you've got to the finals, you're in that same group of people who think they know shit (as if there is shit to know about throwing balls at cups).