The national Beer Pong League

"mattym"

Beer pong is a game of skill and leaning should be eliminated from the rules.  I am a beer pong advocate from Philly and hope to get involved with the ever evolving city, state and national circut events.  When I came across this site and read the rules of local events and the WSOBP I was shocked to see that leaning is allowed.  Leaners take away from the integrity of the game.  Any beer pong player that leans should be ashamed of himself, ridiculed and be well aware of the fact that they have no skill and a noob status.  Beer pong is a game of skill and leaners take away from the beauty of a pure shooters stroke.  Beer pong is also a gentleman's game and any person who leans and does not play by the elbow rule is a dishonest sucker.  I can see with so much on the line that if the rules allow it people will lean but I am hoping to make a movement where if it does not become an official rule, it will be looked at as an unoffical rule and an embarrassment to the game.  Lets try and get this rule changed for the love of the game and to weed out those losers who compromise the integrity of this great game.  

"S3rf_"

My regards to people who actually debate this topic with the use of some formal logic and not just repeat the same ol' (both sides of the topic mind you). I know this is a repeat blog topic, but i'm writing on this one because it seems to be a current one.
 
I have taken the points of the pro-lean rule and agree with them. I realize the enforcability of the lean rule is pretty much impossible in a large scale setting, etc. Still, as a person who enjoys playing a "gentleman" typed game, it is somewhat disheartning to see that the the full table is ruduced to a very short distance, due to nimble leaning.
 
I'm not looking to argue with anybody here in a serious tone, just wished to raise a few points that I have not seen in previous posts.
 
Mainly, when games are played on the standard length table and leaning is permitted, the length from hand to cup is cut down to just a couple of feet. The reason why I do not like this is because the dominant style of shot tends to be pretty much just downward, with very little arc. When players shoot from a farther distance, as is typical with anti-lean standards, you tend to see greater diversity in the shot techniques that people employ. More specifically, ones arc becomes much more important over longer  distances. Though i have not done any physical calculations, it stands to reason that as you shoot from a distance farther away (6 ft + compared to just a couple ft) , the balls velocity is greater. With greater velocity, the odds of making a shot with a straight downward stroke becomes quite tough (lazer shots)..Over this greater distance, a higher arc can be an effective shot. I doubt that a high arc that maxes its Y(t) height is anywhere other than the point of release in a lean promitted game.
 
A secondary point to go along with this previous idea (that a longer distance tends to be harder) is that when the game is more difficult, it takes a more honed approach to become a dominant player. Perhaps i just prefer a style of game where it is difficult to achieve 50% shot accuracy (as is common with many others sports that involve shooting into the hoop). Granted, over the series of many trials (games) the betters players will show a higher shooting percentage and the better players will emerge.
 
My last point also deals with making the game more difficult. I feel that when the shot percentages are lower, human physique tends to play a greater roll. Granted, if its a big game, lean or no lean, the nerves are gonna be there. However, in my experience, people tend to go on tilt more with a more difficult game, thus the mental attributes of a player may play more of an advantage (which is something special in sports IMO).
 
I don't agree with people about how the game needs to be preciously the same for people no matter what their height etc.. Physical attributes ought to play into how the game is played.
But, one additional point to make about the height debate is that not only does a taller person get to be closer to the cups becaue they have longer arms, but also they are higher above the cups and can shoot down into the rims instead of having to shoot up and over them as a shorter person does (even if only changing ones arc by a few degrees). I don't really have a bias on this height point as i'm 6 ft and have fairly long arms, but I can see how a short person might feel helpless.
 
I've typed this up rather fast, the logic is hardly valid, so please kindly point out any inconsistancies in my logic or my spelling, w/e.
 
-Serf

"mattym"

"leftnipple2

DOEpong.net - They support not leaning, Check it out!

It is my understanding that DOE stands for "Death of Elbow (rule)".  So they DO support leaning.