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wianek Joined: 08.20.2008 Age: 27 Total Games: 47 W/L %: 80.85 Avg CD: 2.30 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 4th 2009, 10:06 am Post subject: the future of pong "teamclutch1" Ok I saw a few people that though making the table longer would make itr more fair for everyone blah blah....in actuality making the table longer or the cups smaller would lower everyone's shooting percentage an equal amount. So the bad or new players would be just as far back as they are now. This is obviously not the answer to the problem. I think the answer lies in making equality in the game, by I think you are missing the point of reducing the perception of the "dunk" as well as reducing the chances a rookie team gets smoked by a team going 10/12... currently, new players often complain right off the bat about excessive leaning and "dunking" the ball, then they play a game and get ran off the table. why would they come back after that?
teamclutch1 Joined: 04.23.2008 Age: 25 Total Games: 39 W/L %: 46.15 Avg CD: -0.56 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 4th 2009, 11:09 am Post subject: the future of pong Wianek Thats where the rating system comes in. The new teams would be able to play in ratings capped tournaments where they are way less likely to get smoked off the table and way more likely to be able to ease themselves into the new rules and have a better chance of having a good dirst experience with leaning. I think you're underestimating the importance of a players first experience with leaning. It shapes their entire view of the tournament game and rules.
cytogrinder Joined: 10.24.2006 Age: 30 Total Games: 64 W/L %: 51.56 Avg CD: 0.23 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 4th 2009, 01:02 pm Post subject: the future of pong "teamclutch1" Wianek Thats where the rating system comes in. The new teams would be able to play in ratings capped tournaments where they are way less likely to get smoked off the table and way more likely to be able to ease themselves into the new rules and have a better chance of having a good dirst experience with leaning. I think you're underestimating the importance of a players first experience with leaning. It shapes their entire view of the tournament game and rules. Agreed.... we've lost many teams due to a bad first experience. They don't like getting smoked their first time out... and the leaning always bothers new teams. After awhile all you have are your regular teams cause everyone else has been scared away. I'm still thinking some kind of BPONG controlled handicap system would work great to even the field (like the rating system). It works in golf.... why not beer pong?
MikeEffingGildea Joined: 08.09.2009 Age: 27 Total Games: 45 W/L %: 46.67 Avg CD: -0.71 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 7th 2009, 11:19 pm Post subject: the future of pong Consolation tournaments would be awesome. I know I would love that, seeing as I always lose quickly in 2 games by some fluke occurrences... Idea that my roommate brought up: first couple teams that go 2 and out either A) get their money back or B) get a bar tab of their entry fee. Option A obviously causes problems for paying out larger pots because it's as if the team was never there. However, with Option B, if a deal is worked with the bar manager, the money could still be put toward the tourney pots. Then teams won't feel AS demoralized since they got their money back (in drinks) and might come back next time. Just another idea to mix in. Can't wait for WSOBP V. TUCSON VICTORY.
SplashPong Joined: 08.19.2009 Age: 24 Total Games: 0 W/L %: 0 Avg CD: 0 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 8th 2009, 01:21 am Post subject: the future of pong I used to run 3-4 tourneys on Long Island, now its down to one. Alot of people cant win at our tourneys we have like 15 absolute scrub teams and then 20 elite teams. Long Island, we have a lot of competition, Pops plays all the time, he gets banned all the time. It's not fair to him, but then in turn paying customers are going to stop coming and stop playing with hes there. Even if he shows up after the tourney started, ive had ppl come bitch at me they want their money back. It's not fair to pop cause hes friends with all of us and he loves to play bp, obviously cause he wins alot, but somtimes he dosent play, and he comes to help out and chill. Somthing has to be done. People are just getting too good. Longer tables, different rules, idk Beer Pong went from packed out 64 team tourneys twice a week with smaller 32-40 team tourneys stuffed in there to 5-10 team tourneys. People just cant compete with us "pro" players who actually win tourneys and make money playing it.
nvelissa Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 29 Total Games: 171 W/L %: 69.59 Avg CD: 1.18 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 8th 2009, 01:30 am Post subject: the future of pong I like CFK's rating system or any rating system at that point. The main problem is that it is not as big as some of the other comparisons we are making so in time it would also hurt the sport if there are a bunch of 8-12 team tournaments with no good players and another 6-8 team tournament with really good players. Large tournaments is what bars want and what draws in the crowd. So that may have to wait until we get a little bigger. That being said, poker had a huge increase, then fell off. it is still a very prominent event because there are new people playing every day just like beer pong. It will plateau, but will not decrease otherwise we would not see the increase in teams at the WSOBP. If they are not coming to a smaller tournament, why try to compete there. It is more like bitching than actually complaining about the competition. Another point, if all the good players get banned because of the 10 teams that are not showing up, and you run a tournament with those players not allowed to play...there is still 9 teams that realize they are even worse than they thought they were and will not play again. That does not increase numbers, if anything it loses players. If a new guy loses to pops, he will come back and try again. if he loses to some team that has never won before, he will not show up to more satellites. Also, THIS IS THE WORLD SERIES OF BEER PONG not fucking tee ball. The Obama method of beer pong is fucking gay. Everyone does not deserve a chance. If the prize is a WSOBP bid, I think it is unfair to promote "last chance" or "no elite" players. If that is the case with a high cash tournament, fine...but eliminating the best players then giving a prize to a team that is taking a shot at being called the best in the world is lame. There is a certain skill level to this game, that is what is making it a sport. The best players can play with a lean, without one, left and right handed, ect. They are the best because they are the best, not because of some rule or advantage. This skill should not be taken away from them to allow weaker players to win.
fresh302 Joined: 05.03.2008 Age: 27 Total Games: 136 W/L %: 61.76 Avg CD: 1.14 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 8th 2009, 04:48 am Post subject: the future of pong The main issue is getting players to show up to tournaments, bottom line. The best way to get more and more people to show up, is PUBLICITY!!....and not just publicity for that tournament but publicity for "official" beer pong in general. Shit, after i saw MTV'S True Life "I'm a professional eater", i thought about entering a eating contest....espn's madden challenge tour bus show, i thought i might be able to compete......Bpong.com has all this footage of WSOBP IV, but i havent seen a minute of it, maybe if it was on tv and more and more people saw footage they would be more inclined to come out to tournaments and give it a try.......every year millions of kids turn 21 and if they knew more about the WSOBP and Sattelite tournaments they might show up. Austin, foster, pops, piotr, and whoever else, go get your ass' on MTV's True Life "I'm a Professional Beer Pong Player".....everybody else write MTV and tell em you want to see this show. LOL
canadian ponger Joined: 06.12.2007 Age: 29 Total Games: 12 W/L %: 41.67 Avg CD: -1.42 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2009, 12:51 pm Post subject: the future of pong "fresh302" The main issue is getting players to show up to tournaments, bottom line. The best way to get more and more people to show up, is PUBLICITY!!....and not just publicity for that tournament but publicity for "official" beer pong in general. Shit, after i saw MTV'S True Life "I'm a professional eater", i thought about entering a eating contest....espn's madden challenge tour bus show, i thought i might be able to compete......Bpong.com has all this footage of WSOBP IV, but i havent seen a minute of it, maybe if it was on tv and more and more people saw footage they would be more inclined to come out to tournaments and give it a try.......every year millions of kids turn 21 and if they knew more about the WSOBP and Sattelite tournaments they might show up. Austin, foster, pops, piotr, and whoever else, go get your ass' on MTV's True Life "I'm a Professional Beer Pong Player".....everybody else write MTV and tell em you want to see this show. LOL i agree completely.i've heard about the wsobp for a couple years now and never really even thought of giving it a shot, until i seen it on art mann presents on hdnet. i seen what it was about,people having fun win or lose and just enjoying the game for what it is. within a week of seeing his show i'd convinced my buddy to sign up with me.and now we'll be there for the wsobp V. sure the rules are different and the teams are better then any i've faced,but to people that love the game it wont matter one bit. If it ends up being as much of a good time as it looks, i can guarantee we'll be back next year.
dwissbrun2 Joined: 11.15.2006 Age: 32 Total Games: 113 W/L %: 51.33 Avg CD: -0.11 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2009, 12:58 pm Post subject: the future of pong "canadian sure the rules are different and the teams are better then any i've faced,but to people that love the game it wont matter one bit. If it ends up being as much of a good time as it looks, i can guarantee we'll be back next year. thanks. this is the point i've been trying to make. if tournaments are fun, and are "the place to be" then rules and w's & L's won't keep people from showing up.
TopDawg16 Joined: 07.02.2009 Total Games: 0 W/L %: 0 Avg CD: 0 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2009, 03:30 pm Post subject: the future of pong Hey guys. I read the boards a lot, but never really post. I figured I'd give you guys the opinion of an amateur player lol. Me and my parter are basically to the point where we're too good to be playing local tournaments (like the bars around where I live that have small tournaments with like 20 teams, at $10-$20 a team), because we always win those. But, we know we're not good enough to win a real tournament that the "pros" are going to be at. We have never played in a satellite tournament, but we intend to. Here's some ideas. First of all, I don't think their should be any kind of handicap or seperate rules for the "pro" players or anything like that. Most amateur players will continue to come to tournaments as long as they can go and have a good time. For players like us (I'd like to consider us a little better than your basic amateur player), we'd keep coming for two reasons. 1. Because we can go and have a good time, and 2. Because we know we're not going to ever get to the level as some of the "pros" unless we play in tournaments like that. Second- Quit running tournaments in the middle of the afternoon. Have them at night. We wanted to go to a satellite all year, but we (like most amateurs), are college kids who work retail jobs. We work Saturdays. And we're not going to take off a day of work to come play in a tournament we know we can't win. If you hold a tournament at like 8pm or so, it would allow players like us to work that day, then travel to the tournament that night. As far as bids to WSOBP go, who cares how many bids someone wins? Most amateur players aren't going to win the bids. They are going to play some pong, and have some fun. We plan on going to the WSOBP in 2011 (no money to this year lol), but we plan on paying our own way. We know we're not going to win a bid. 1. Make the tournaments the best atmosphere you possibly can. Make it fun for amateur to come to. 2. Stop with the mid-day tournaments. I think if you do those two things, you'll get a lot more amateur players. Just my two cents* Signed, Amateur beer pong player lol.