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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 04:22 pm
    Post subject: the future of pong

  • "the
    Good thought Foster.  This would also give the option to have no line for girls teams.  At 3 East a few weeks ago there was a line (Farley was tired of people bitching) but girls didn't have to use it.  This actually made one team real competitive but that was the Rocha twins and they're pretty damn good anyway.

    Nice. I like that handicap a lot more than giving people cups.
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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 04:25 pm
    Post subject: the future of pong

  • "wianek"
    "wianek"
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    Thoughts?

    Very good thought.  But I don't see a market for the extenders until a new larger table is the standard.

    The vertical extender is a way of essentially enforcing elbow rule on the current table though... it's also an alternative to actually moving to longer tables - you could make it longer with the extender.  

    Excuse the ghetto illustration, but here is basically what I had in mind for a vertical extension of the table that would limit leaning:
     

    If we played w/ these I wouldn't even B able 2 do my "regular" shot.  I like to dribble the ball on the table a few times then bring my arm forward then release at the peak of my shot.  I would have 2 completely change my shot and shoot "tomahawk style" just to get over the bar?  I vote Nay on the bar entender idea.
     
    Also about the satti tournaments for Drunken Bear.  I do try to aviod going to the same place everytime.   In fact I think I have gone to go less than half of the tournaments that u have ran?    Don't quote me on that but I've won in Michigan, Ohio, Florida, Illinois and Indiana.  that's the only reason I have won so much is because I have traveled a bit more than anyone else.  Since I am known as a "good" player in the Midwest I do want to keep the "beginner" teams coming too.  A lot of the "beginner" players will ask me advise and I tell them in order to be competitive u have to keep coming and playing in as many tournaments as u can to gain experience.  I know I got my ass kicked for about 4-5 months by Dane and Joe last year but each time I went I gained more confidence and became a better player because of it.  I think it is a good idea to limit the amount of wins w/ one player next yr.  I will try to avoid going to the same tournaments on purpose because I know ppl have said something to u a few times.  I honestly think that the beer pong gossip is why most ppl complain about the good teams.  If everyone would at least try to keep it on the DL for who the good teams are then most newer teams wouldn't even know.
     
    I did turn Dane down this week too for Dammerell who hasn't won yet.  I'm trying to make it work.  If this is still a problem next year I will come to less tournaments.
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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 04:41 pm
    Post subject: the future of pong

  • And we're back to good ole fullrack's suggestion (the mat that abuts the legs to act as a shooting line that won't move).
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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 05:11 pm
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  • Dane's Partner  - i dont think you should be punished for being good so that is why i am stuck in the middle.  But lets say you had to play wth someone else besides Dane all the time, it might make the field more on the same level but you can still come everytime.   See I am not trying to get you not to come, i always want you there but I dont want you to always win no offense.  But i want you to try as hard as you can i dont want you dummy-ing down anything.
     
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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 05:15 pm
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  • I'm down with some extender bar to replace a tape line.  the tape line just doesnt work it gets beer on it and the tables shift.
     
    The end of OD lean is coming....
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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 05:20 pm
    Post subject: the future of pong

  • I didnt take the time to read through all the posts however I did see some.... The suggestions of extending the table and adding contraptions to make the cups farther I think are good short term solutions but the reality is give any top player a year to adjust to the new distance and we will be right back were we started.   The players that are Great arent great because they lean or have longer arms.  Their good because they practice and they have good hand eye cordination.  More and more college kids are buying and playing on the Bpong tables.  The days of ply wood are slowly dying.  The 8 foot table is one of the few things that hasnt changed in the 10 years since my first year in college.  I started playing on a 8 ft ply table and now play on a 8 ft Bpong table.  If the rules keep on changing there will never be a universal set of rules for all of beer pong.  The bigger the World Series gets the more people pick up and adopt the "Pro" rules.
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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 05:30 pm
    Post subject: the future of pong

  • "sauce1"
    I didnt take the time to read through all the posts however I did see some.... The suggestions of extending the table and adding contraptions to make the cups farther I think are good short term solutions but the reality is give any top player a year to adjust to the new distance and we will be right back were we started.

    It's not actually about reality here. It's about perception.
    That's why a bar would work better than a longer table.
     
    With a longer table people will still bitch about the lean. With a bar they're okay.
    Ridiculous bc it's the same distance, but it's still a fact we need to tackle.
     
    We've been at this for 5 years now, and you still can't have a youtube video of the WS without hundreds of comments on the leaning. I haven't done any actual market analysis ..etc of course, but if we can get rid of the perception of dunking, it should help to alleviate this.
     
    It's an enormous divide among the two communities. Pro and Casual.
     
    One of the problems we've had in MD was trying to get something started in college park.
    College town.. tens of thousands of players.. and we were never able to get anything started.
     
    I wasn't in charge of that movement, but from what I've been told firsthand by garrett (the guy running the college park stuff) all of the students there just kept bitching about the leaning and that's why it never took hold.
     
    Something like this can help to combat that and get another demographic to join in.
    More players = bigger prize. Everybody wins.
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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 05:43 pm
    Post subject: the future of pong

  • I see where your coming from Foster.  I guess it also depends on geographic region.  My cousin goes to Nova and they all play on Bpong tables and all use WS rules.  I graduated from Lasalle we always played NO ELBOW RULE and they still do.  They have not adjusted to the BPong tables ( still play on the ply tables w/ Frat logos )
    They're 2 of the big 5 colleges in Philly so as I said guess its case by case.  The one thing I do know is when I play elbow rule my percentage drops over 50%.  
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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 06:17 pm
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  • I kind of feel like the focus is being lost here.  The proposed problem was essentially "how do we prevent the great teams from demoralizing the newcomers, thereby discouraging the expansion of the game/tournaments?"
     
    I don't see how equipment will solve that.  Some of the proposed solutions (e.g., longer tables or smaller cups) will only further add to the problem (possibly) because the great players will likely adapt better than a struggling player.  Now a demoralized player is only hitting one cup instead of four.
     
    The Champ made a point about perception, however.  My understanding of his point is that when people see the lean, for example, they will be less likely to participate in events under the current "professional rule sets" because they see people just "dropping balls in cups."  Longer tables (and other things) will help with this, but I don't think it solves the other problem, i.e., not having the great and good teams discourage the new teams by demolishing them at events.
     
    So, in summary, there are at least two problems:  (1) crushing newcomers with more established skill; and (2) dealing with given perceptions (e.g., leaning = dropping balls in cups) that may lead to criticism and possibly non-involvement in events.
     
    Personally, I think #1 is the more difficult and more important issue, but I think the two issues should be discussed separately to help avoid confusion as to which issue is being discussed with each proposed solution.
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    Posted: Nov 20th 2009, 06:32 pm
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  • "billy"
    I kind of feel like the focus is being lost here.  The proposed problem was essentially "how do we prevent the great teams from demoralizing the newcomers, thereby discouraging the expansion of the game/tournaments?"
     
    I don't see how equipment will solve that.  Some of the proposed solutions (e.g., longer tables or smaller cups) will only further add to the problem (possibly) because the great players will likely adapt better than a struggling player.  Now a demoralized player is only hitting one cup instead of four.
     
    The Champ made a point about perception, however.  My understanding of his point is that when people see the lean, for example, they will be less likely to participate in events under the current "professional rule sets" because they see people just "dropping balls in cups."  Longer tables (and other things) will help with this, but I don't think it solves the other problem, i.e., not having the great and good teams discourage the new teams by demolishing them at events.
     
    So, in summary, there are at least two problems:  (1) crushing newcomers with more established skill; and (2) dealing with given perceptions (e.g., leaning = dropping balls in cups) that may lead to criticism and possibly non-involvement in events.
     
    Personally, I think #1 is the more difficult and more important issue, but I think the two issues should be discussed separately to help avoid confusion as to which issue is being discussed with each proposed solution.

    billy I kind of think the 2 go hand in hand. The reason that alot of newcomers have a problem with pong and the perception of leaning = dropping the ball in the cup is the same reason why they are discouraged to play. In changing the dynamics of the game, it will force everyone to adapt to a new style. As it stands now, any newcomer looking at "pro pong" sees a bunch of guys who have pretty much mastered lean shots, and this can be a bit overwhelming to Joe CollegeGuy who's used to playing elbow rule at the frat house or something. Bottom line, these casual players still have SOME skill, and what they lack in skill they often make up for with a natural love of the game. Having 9 ft tables, or even the tables with bars to alleviate the leaning will be of greatest value in appealing to these casual players because like kessler said, the elite players and above average players will still have to adjust to it. And as Piotr said its alot less demoralizing losing to a team who shot 10/18 against you as opposed to 10/12.
     

    Also, some might say people will STILL argue if theres 9ft tables with lean just because of the perception of the lean but I think its alot more reasonable to extend the length of the tables rather than dictate to people the way that they have to shoot. I think the 8ft table with lean gives the impression of "dunking the ball" alot more than a lean on a 9ft table
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