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welch Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 26 Total Games: 80 W/L %: 56.25 Avg CD: 0.26 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 04:04 pm Post subject: Schedules of who we play "skinny" My quick opinion here is that there is never really a time where s.o.s. should supercede your normal record. I can't think of any organization where that would happen, nor can I really justify it at all. Boise State 12-0, shitty Ohio State 10-2 and they go to a BCS bowl game. If S.O.S. ever becomes a factor in beer pong, then we all need to seriously get a life
dam_O_nation Joined: 10.17.2008 Age: 28 Total Games: 14 W/L %: 64.29 Avg CD: 0.57 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 04:58 pm Post subject: Schedules of who we play "welch" "skinny" My quick opinion here is that there is never really a time where s.o.s. should supercede your normal record. I can't think of any organization where that would happen, nor can I really justify it at all. Boise State 12-0, shitty Ohio State 10-2 and they go to a BCS bowl game. If S.O.S. ever becomes a factor in beer pong, then we all need to seriously get a life We actually do use schedule strength to determine playoff seeding in the Stanford IM Beirut league. Hell, we seeded a 6-1 team below a 3-2 team for that reason, and the higher-seeded 3-2 team actually did perform much better in the playoffs. I actually think schedule strength (combined opponents' winning percentage) should be used to differentiate between teams with the same record instead of cup differential. It's just a more telling statistic. In an extreme case, a 7-5 team who played only the bottom 12 teams is probably horrible, whereas a 7-5 team who played only the top 12 teams is most likely one of the top teams in the tournament. Of course schedule strength would take some time to calculate, but we do calculate schedule strength AND opponents' schedule strength for each of the 100 or so teams in the Stanford league when determining power rankings. Not a big deal really - I'm just saying.
juzam139 Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 29 Total Games: 92 W/L %: 67.39 Avg CD: 1.25 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 05:26 pm Post subject: Schedules of who we play And even if we could use SOS into the figuring out who makes the 3rd day, the only teams you could figure in are the teams that play in organized leagues/tournaments, i.e. MD, NY, NJ, Las Vegas, Michigan, CA, and I'm sure I'm missing some other hot spots that are springing up. But the only way S.O.S. would ever come into play is if we had a uniform system across all the states and that's probably like 25 years off in the future. Also, any newbies would most likely be ranked the lowest and they conceivably could end up playing an all-star bracket which for a noob would hurt the game cuz then they wouldn't want to come out the next time if they go 0-12 and their cup diffential is -40.
kellanismyname Joined: 07.15.2008 Age: 27 Total Games: 84 W/L %: 65.48 Avg CD: 0.90 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 05:44 pm Post subject: Schedules of who we play "juzam139" And even if we could use SOS into the figuring out who makes the 3rd day, the only teams you could figure in are the teams that play in organized leagues/tournaments, i.e. MD, NY, NJ, Las Vegas, Michigan, CA, and I'm sure I'm missing some other hot spots that are springing up. Oregon State University beirut is the largest, best organized, most legitimate, and also has the most humility of any league in the World. With that said any oregon based team should have the highest sos in the country. Just sayin
solidgold Joined: 08.16.2007 Age: 27 Total Games: 38 W/L %: 65.79 Avg CD: 1.16 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 06:14 pm Post subject: Schedules of who we play "kellanismyname" "juzam139" And even if we could use SOS into the figuring out who makes the 3rd day, the only teams you could figure in are the teams that play in organized leagues/tournaments, i.e. MD, NY, NJ, Las Vegas, Michigan, CA, and I'm sure I'm missing some other hot spots that are springing up. Oregon State University beirut is the largest, best organized, most legitimate, and also has the most humility of any league in the World. With that said any oregon based team should have the highest sos in the country. Just sayin I couldn't agree more. The teams here are AMAZING!!
dam_O_nation Joined: 10.17.2008 Age: 28 Total Games: 14 W/L %: 64.29 Avg CD: 0.57 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 06:35 pm Post subject: Schedules of who we play "juzam139" And even if we could use SOS into the figuring out who makes the 3rd day, the only teams you could figure in are the teams that play in organized leagues/tournaments, i.e. MD, NY, NJ, Las Vegas, Michigan, CA, and I'm sure I'm missing some other hot spots that are springing up. But the only way S.O.S. would ever come into play is if we had a uniform system across all the states and that's probably like 25 years off in the future. Also, any newbies would most likely be ranked the lowest and they conceivably could end up playing an all-star bracket which for a noob would hurt the game cuz then they wouldn't want to come out the next time if they go 0-12 and their cup diffential is -40. Dude, no, that's not what I'm talking about. No need to overcomplicate this. You don't need to know anything about that team's results in satellite tourneys or leagues or whatnot. All you need to know is its performance on Days 1 & 2 and the performance of its opponents. For example, let's say my team goes 9-3 and plays teams with the following two-day records: 9-3 8-4 7-5 6-6 10-2 11-1 8-4 7-5 5-7 12-0 10-2 6-6 "Schedule strength" is just your opponents' combined winning percentage. My opponents' combined record here is 99-45. If your team goes 9-3 but your opponents go a combined 45-99, then my team had a much tougher schedule and technically deserves to be seeded higher. I don't at all expect this to happen in the WSOBP, but it does make the seeding more accurate. Last edited on Dec 9th 2008, 06:35 pm
prusch Joined: 08.22.2006 Age: 30 Total Games: 145 W/L %: 77.24 Avg CD: 1.70 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 06:53 pm Post subject: Schedules of who we play "juzam139" And even if we could use SOS into the figuring out who makes the 3rd day, the only teams you could figure in are the teams that play in organized leagues/tournaments, i.e. MD, NY, NJ, Las Vegas, Michigan, CA, and I'm sure I'm missing some other hot spots that are springing up. But the only way S.O.S. would ever come into play is if we had a uniform system across all the states and that's probably like 25 years off in the future. Also, any newbies would most likely be ranked the lowest and they conceivably could end up playing an all-star bracket which for a noob would hurt the game cuz then they wouldn't want to come out the next time if they go 0-12 and their cup diffential is -40. There are no divisions, so SOS could just be determined based on the average record of the opponents for each team. In divisional play, there is an aspect of teams beating on each other. The BCS (not that it's a great system) does 2/3 of the SOS based on a cumulative record of a teams opponents, and 1/3 based on the cumulative record of the opponent's opponents. Basically - we'll let Skinny, or Dam_O do the calculations, but any rankings based on play from throughout the year is not needed, and would in fact just skew the data anyways. SOS might be a more reliable method than cup diff, but for the time being, cup diff is an ok method of tie breakers - and is one that isn't random. No one can blame anyone else for a bad record or poor cup differential. The tie breaker is important though. The last two years, cup differential has allowed some 7-5 teams from advancing to the last day. Of course Skinny made the argument that if you're 7-5 with a so-so cup differential, you're not deserving of the title - but at WSOBP II, two 7-5 teams made the top 10, and last year one almost took home the 50 grand.
prusch Joined: 08.22.2006 Age: 30 Total Games: 145 W/L %: 77.24 Avg CD: 1.70 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 06:54 pm Post subject: Schedules of who we play of course dam already beat me to it