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    Posted: Sep 25th 2008, 02:30 pm
    Post subject: Clarification

  • Ok, I have been a member to this site for a while, and this might be a stupid question.
     
    In redemption...  The rules say if you have more than 1 cup, it's unlimited 1 ball roll back.  So, if you miss the first shot you are done right?  But if you have 1 cup, you get one miss if it took the opposing team more than one shot to hit their cup or cups?
     
    Why do you get no misses if you have more than one cup, but you can miss the first shot if you have one cup?
     
    For example, lets say your team has 2 cups left and your opponents have 3.  They make all 3, so you still dont get to miss your first shot?  You miss once and you're done?  Just wanting to make sure I understand it right.
     
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    Posted: Sep 25th 2008, 02:37 pm
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  • "azpong"
    Ok, I have been a member to this site for a while, and this might be a stupid question.
     
    In redemption...  The rules say if you have more than 1 cup, it's unlimited 1 ball roll back.  So, if you miss the first shot you are done right?  But if you have 1 cup, you get one miss if it took the opposing team more than one shot to hit their cup or cups?
     
    Why do you get no misses if you have more than one cup, but you can miss the first shot if you have one cup?
     
    For example, lets say your team has 2 cups left and your opponents have 3.  They make all 3, so you still dont get to miss your first shot?  You miss once and you're done?  Just wanting to make sure I understand it right.
     

    It is not shot till you miss so if you have 2 or more cups and your partner misses the opening shot who will shot after you if you make one of the two remaining cups? You cant take the next shot because its not shoot till you miss and your partner cant take it because he already shot and missed the opening throw. So its game over if one person misses on 2 or more cups. If that makes sense!!
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    Posted: Sep 25th 2008, 02:37 pm
    Post subject: Clarification

  • I'm not looking at how we have the rules written, nor have I carefully read your post.  Thus, maybe I shouldn't even be responding, but here is some of the reasoning which was inspired by many heated debates on our forum.
     
    The basic idea is that the rules limit your number of shots, somewhat, if you "got behind in the game."  I.e., if you have more cups left, you should't get too many more shots to put it into OT, but then again, giving you zero shots sucks and is not fun.  Thus, you simply have to hit every shot.
     
    However, if it gets down to a 1 vs. 1 situation and Team A (the first team to shoot two balls under this 1 vs. 1 situation) misses the first shot and hits the last cup with the second, it's "more fair" to let the other team get two shots at the last cup, too.
     
    I know how some may respond and have more detailed thoughts, but that's all I have time for now.
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    Posted: Sep 25th 2008, 02:42 pm
    Post subject: Clarification

  • "If an opponent sinks your last 3 cups in 1 turn, you get 2 chances to hit last cup, i.e. you may miss once "
     
    That is quoted from the rules.  So, that is outside the "1 vs. 1" scenario.  You still get one miss.
     
    In that scenario, you are winning 3 cups to 1, but what if you were winning 3 cups to 2 and they hit all 3 cups?  You don't get a miss?  Seems a little odd.  I can live with it, just want to make sure I have it right.
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    Posted: Sep 25th 2008, 03:22 pm
    Post subject: Clarification

  • "azpong"
    "If an opponent sinks your last 3 cups in 1 turn, you get 2 chances to hit last cup, i.e. you may miss once "
     
    That is quoted from the rules.  So, that is outside the "1 vs. 1" scenario.  You still get one miss.
     
    In that scenario, you are winning 3 cups to 1, but what if you were winning 3 cups to 2 and they hit all 3 cups?  You don't get a miss?  Seems a little odd.  I can live with it, just want to make sure I have it right.

    I think the key wording here is "Two scenarios are possible in finals: . . . when the last cup is sunk . . ."  In the 3 vs. 1 scenario you described, the two consecutive shots (prior to the one-ball rollback), led to a 1 v. 1 scenario "when the last cup is sunk."
     
    As to the justification, I *think* this is what we were thinking:  in the 3 v. 1 situation where the last three cups are sunk in one turn, it's not so unfair to give the team two last shots at the last cup because of the "drastic" change in the game by having the three cups hit in one turn.  In a 3 v. 2 situation, the change of events is not as dramatic.  In the 3 v. 2 situation, I suppose it could go either way in terms of "fairness" - or at least it's close.  From what I recall, I think part of the decision came down to making this easy to determine.  It may be tricky to read at first, but once you read it carefully and understand it, it's easy to remember:  essentially, how many cups are left when the last cup is sunk, and if it's one, how many balls do I have in my possession?
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    Posted: Sep 25th 2008, 03:35 pm
    Post subject: Clarification

  • Thanks Billy.  Just wanted to make sure.  It makes sense.  Especially, because, if you did give a team one miss and they had more than one cup left, what happens if they make the first shot?  Can they miss the 2nd?  That would get confusing.  I gotcha.
     
    Thanks again.  
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    Posted: Sep 25th 2008, 05:15 pm
    Post subject: Clarification

  • I like to think there are only two scenarios for redemption -
     
    1) You have 2 or more cups left on the the table when the other team hits their last cup
     
    For #1 - your team can't miss to force OT.  Regardless of the game scenario (3 vs. 3, 2 vs. 3, 2 vs. 1, 3 vs. 1), if the other team finishes off their tenth cup, your team has to match that by hitting the rest of your cups without missing.
     
    2) You have 1 cup left when the other team hits their last cup.
     
    For #2 - the question that answers how many shots you get is, "How many balls are on your side when the other team hit their last cup?"  If it was 2 or 3 to 1, you'll have both balls - so will get two shots.  If it was 1 to 1, and they took two shots, you'll have both balls, so get two shots.  If it was 1 to 1, and they hit it in their first shot, you have one ball, so one shot.