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juzam139 Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 29 Total Games: 92 W/L %: 67.39 Avg CD: 1.25 Full Stats	Posted: Nov 18th 2008, 05:11 pm Post subject: Different Cups As far as who should win or not, try feeding me that story after you get knocked out of the WSOBP next year by a player hitting back and middle row cups against you for 2 or 3 rollbacks in a row. Yeah this always seems to happen. I can only suggest a few things. On the final day for the final 32, opponents call the cup you have to hit, 3 cup max per turn, no re-racks. Or should I even bring up the S.T.U.M. so that way irregardless of how lucky a team is or how far the lean or how big/small the cups are, you will always know you had a chance to hit all the cups. (and you should be able to figure that acronym out people, it's not too difficult). But that argument has been put to rest for now so I'll leave it at that.
creese Joined: 11.24.2008 Total Games: 0 W/L %: 0 Avg CD: 0 Full Stats	Posted: Nov 26th 2008, 05:55 pm Post subject: Different Cups This is exactly why I don't like ten-cup. Try playing two racks of six, with reracks at six and three total per side. You end up with tough racks prior to first rerack, like three in the back (the wall) or three in the back and one in front (cyclops). Forget eight-foot tables, while we're at it. Play 6+6 on a nine-footer and destroy those that just throw it up in the hopes or dropping cups. Last edited on Nov 26th 2008, 06:12 pm
prusch Joined: 08.22.2006 Age: 30 Total Games: 145 W/L %: 77.24 Avg CD: 1.70 Full Stats	Posted: Nov 26th 2008, 07:49 pm Post subject: Different Cups "creese" three in the back and one in front Three in the back with one in the front is definitely "The Firing Squad"... the layout and parallels are too good. Of course the point is to always put the dead man out of his misery.
wianek Joined: 08.20.2008 Age: 27 Total Games: 47 W/L %: 80.85 Avg CD: 2.30 Full Stats	Posted: Nov 26th 2008, 08:25 pm Post subject: Different Cups "prusch" "creese" three in the back and one in front Three in the back with one in the front is definitely "The Firing Squad"... the layout and parallels are too good. Of course the point is to always put the dead man out of his misery. It's definitely "The one eyed monster" that needs to be slayed.
juzam139 Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 29 Total Games: 92 W/L %: 67.39 Avg CD: 1.25 Full Stats	Posted: Nov 27th 2008, 12:43 am Post subject: Different Cups "wianek" "prusch" "creese" three in the back and one in front Three in the back with one in the front is definitely "The Firing Squad"... the layout and parallels are too good. Of course the point is to always put the dead man out of his misery. It's definitely "The one eyed monster" that needs to be slayed. I used to call it the Selfish Cup. It just sits there and it's so close that even though the higher percentage shot is to shoot at the back row, you go for the front cup cuz it looks so easy to hit and some times it can be your achilles heel and you'll get stuck on it. Same deal when you hit the two middle row leaving the front cup and back seven. Although, this one is a LOT easier cuz it's a LOT closer.
dswitser Joined: 08.29.2006 Age: 26 Total Games: 71 W/L %: 66.2 Avg CD: 0.77 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 01:00 am Post subject: Different Cups Team France winner WSOBP I - they don't complain about cups We Own Your Face winner WSOBP II - they don't complain about cups CTFK winner WSOBP III - they don't complain about cups IWC Top 10's in each - they don't complain about cups Team Kobe Top 10's in II & III - they don't complain about cups Numerous other Top 10 finishing teams - they don't complain about cups Shawn*2 Best finish 9th WSOBP III - seems to think the cups are a problem It looks like just forgetting all the bullshit about equipment and making the cups in front of you is the way to win. Foster, if you had been knocked out before the final day in any of the WSOBP's I might see your point. However, I think Baker is right. If you make it to the last day, all of those teams can play descent enough and the cups are not gonna matter at that point.
nvelissa Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 29 Total Games: 171 W/L %: 69.59 Avg CD: 1.18 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 11:01 am Post subject: Different Cups "sfoster" I realize it may be a little late for this year, but I would like to say that I am not a big fan of the cups currently in use. There is almost no rim on them at all. Basically you can just throw the ball randomly up in the air, and it is likely to splash somewhere. To me it is kind of frustrating to play against people that don't have much skill, but instead throw floaters and then get lucky with 3 or 6 balls in a row by hitting scattered and back row cups, and I feel that the current equipment encourage this sort of luck factor and discourage aiming. Now let me say I am NOT SUGGESTING WE USE 18OZ SOLO CUPS. I am going to compare them to 18oz solo because that is what I have on hand. This picture is drawn to a scale of 64 pixels for every 1 inch http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a235/ … alysis.gif Going by this, if you randomly throw a ball within that red zone drawn above, the RK16 have 59.65% chance of being made by a random ball, and the 18 oz solo have 57.45% chance of being made by a random ball. Essentially the 18oz cup has only a 3.6% larger mouth, but nearly twice the lip-gap between cups. (The solo don't narrow on the bottom, so they're also less likely to tip over but of course more liquid can fix that) Now I have made some mistakes in the past, so anybody can feel free to correct me here - but either way it seems obvious that the thin black line separating the RK16 is tiny. The non-rim on the RK16 seems to be so lethal, that it's more likely reward skill-less floater shots than larger cups. On top of that, if you're aiming for a specific cup -- you're LESS likely to hit the RK16 because you aim for a smaller area. So in summary it seems the RK16 may be harder when it comes down to last cup, but for the other 9 cups in the game they're working against anybody that aims. I am not suggesting that we use 18oz, they are just what I had on hand to measure. Is it perhaps possible for future years to get a 16oz cup that has a wider rim to separate the cups from one another? The numbers are correct if you do not factor in angle of trajectory. there is almost zero way to calculate the true area difference without taking into account several factors. -release point (height and distance including lean) -angle of flight or trajectory sets the inital potential striking area of makes/misses -larger area of cups also moves them closer to the shooter, must be figured in -spin on release. very few people have no rotations, and greater lip of cup area allows spin to be more of an influence -the actual lip of the cups also matters. the solo are more rounded, implying bouncing off the lip is more likely to deflect in different directions than a half rounded side. -rigidity of the cups. if a lip is hit, the cup with more rigitity is more likely to send a ball farther away from another random lucky cup. this is also effected by the shape influencing difference between area of bottom and area of top. This is most apparent in normal bball rims versus carnival bball rims -when angle of trajectory is factored in, the point at which the ball strikes the cup also matters. if there is a more open top, the ball is more likely to have an "in and out" bounce that we have all seen and cried over. This is also a factor influencing that the area of the top of the cup is not necessarily a make or a miss so simple diameter cannot be the final factor in determining a make/miss there are a few more issues too, but i think this is one thing that will not accurately be factored into a stat program or analysis based on simple physics. i do not disagree with cup preference, however i do like billys cups and i think that anyone who wins on solo cups should be able to win as well on the others. the shot and accuracy are still the important factors here, not the diameter of the cups. and more importantly as we saw, first place is really all that matters, so pressure play is more crucial than any other factor in here. and when that can be placed into SPSS or MATLAB let me know. Most important thing overall...the bpong cups look badass...red cups should be used at frats and house parties, let the pros distinguish themselves with these and DUBS, i was just as bored.
nvelissa Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 29 Total Games: 171 W/L %: 69.59 Avg CD: 1.18 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 11:08 am Post subject: Different Cups "creese" This is exactly why I don't like ten-cup. Try playing two racks of six, with reracks at six and three total per side. You end up with tough racks prior to first rerack, like three in the back (the wall) or three in the back and one in front (cyclops). Forget eight-foot tables, while we're at it. Play 6+6 on a nine-footer and destroy those that just throw it up in the hopes or dropping cups. And this brings me to my first point i ever made on this forum. if you dont like the rules, tables, cups, balls, format, time, location, foster's lengthy posts, my lengthy replies, smashing time's mispelled words, or the fact that the championship parade will be in NYC for the first time thanks to Slippery France, THEN HAVE THE BALLS BPONG HAS AND HAVE HAD SINCE 2006 AND RUN A TOURNAMENT YOUR WAY FOR $50,000...solo cups, no lean, whatever the better pong players will win
sfoster Joined: 11.30.2007 Age: 28 Total Games: 136 W/L %: 75.74 Avg CD: 1.98 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 11:17 am Post subject: Different Cups "dswitser" Foster, if you had been knocked out before the final day in any of the WSOBP's I might see your point. However, I think Baker is right. If you make it to the last day, all of those teams can play descent enough and the cups are not gonna matter at that point. True enough. And in response to what nick said, I was never trying to suggest that we use solo or anything that looked differently. I am just saying all things being equal, if we could have a different clear cup that has a larger rim that would be more ideal for all skilled players. As far as people playing "descent enough" part of what prompted my post is this finals match of a 64-team tournament. lots of skilled people in that tournament. and I still won. However look at the cup spread that the other team is hitting (they're on the left) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MmttPOCn_c They are all over the place and had been all day. It was a little frustrating and a lot more obvious that my team was aiming for what we hit.
nvelissa Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 29 Total Games: 171 W/L %: 69.59 Avg CD: 1.18 Full Stats	Posted: Dec 9th 2008, 11:31 am Post subject: Different Cups that sounds completely reversed to me. if the cup is larger and has a better chance for any shot to go in (your words) then that would favor the lesser skilled players. the definiition of skill in this game is to hit what you are aiming for. if you are more skilled that would imply you that when you miss, you miss by less. in your last example you stated that people were missing by a lot of distance in your tournament. so how is making the cups larger worse for them? by this rationale, the skilled players would never be able to make 14 oz cups, only lucky shitty players, and if we used trash cans or ten circular swimming pools, the skilled players would benefit from that more than the lucky players. completely backwards and an obvious sarcasm in the examples before you slam me on logic of size of venue if we used swimming pools.