Beer Pong Forums: Re-racks

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bondball007 Joined: 04.25.2008 Age: 28 Total Games: 0 W/L %: 0 Avg CD: 0 Full Stats	Posted: May 22nd 2008, 12:14 am Post subject: Re-racks For all the arguing going on about leaning, it's a shame no one brings up the auto re-rack system at 6-3-1. Am I the only one who thinks that this should be lessened to one rerack...at say six? I feel that constantly shooting at clusters only helps weaker teams, and I dont think anyone can argue that it's easier to hit clusters. If its to try and speed the game up, then I somewhat understand but argue that it couldnt speed it up that much. Anyway food for thought.
teamclutch1 Joined: 04.23.2008 Age: 25 Total Games: 39 W/L %: 46.15 Avg CD: -0.56 Full Stats	Posted: May 22nd 2008, 07:28 pm Post subject: Re-racks I kind of disagree. I think two re-racks is perfect for a ten cup game. The Re-rack on one cup doesn't really count as a re-rack. As far as clusters benefitting worse teams you are right, but they benefit even the best teams at times. It's more of an equal benefit for all. I personally think it should be two re-racks but that you can pick when they are. It adds a little bit of strategy to the game. Certain Re-racks for certain situations and stuff. The World Pong Tour does this best you get two re-racks at 6,4,3, or 2 cups. Playing world series rules makes me miss my diamond and soldiers re-racks.
trivial Joined: 06.20.2008 Total Games: 0 W/L %: 0 Avg CD: 0 Full Stats	Posted: Jun 25th 2008, 09:00 am Post subject: Re-racks teamclutch1 I kind of disagree. I think two re-racks is perfect for a ten cup game. The Re-rack on one cup doesn't really count as a re-rack. As far as clusters benefitting worse teams you are right, but they benefit even the best teams at times. It's more of an equal benefit for all. I personally think it should be two re-racks but that you can pick when they are. It adds a little bit of strategy to the game. Certain Re-racks for certain situations and stuff. The World Pong Tour does this best you get two re-racks at 6,4,3, or 2 cups. Playing world series rules makes me miss my diamond and soldiers re-racks. I mostly agree... but I dont like the rerack on last cup and think it should stand where it lies what do you think on weird ass reracks... like if you have seven and they make a 1-1-2-3 out of it????
aztruth Joined: 07.08.2008 Total Games: 0 W/L %: 0 Avg CD: 0 Full Stats	Posted: Jul 24th 2008, 12:13 pm Post subject: Re-racks I definitely think that you should wait until 6 cups to allow a re-rack. I don't have a huge problem with the designated spots for reracks cuz that makes it the same for everyone. That being said, I like 2 reracks for 10 cup. If you can shoot well enough to strategically hit certain cups and set up a favorable rack then you should be able to save your reracks for later.
bondball007 Joined: 04.25.2008 Age: 28 Total Games: 0 W/L %: 0 Avg CD: 0 Full Stats	Posted: Jul 24th 2008, 07:42 pm Post subject: Re-racks I think that's the point I was trying to make. There is no strategy with re-racks at 6 and 3 because you can hit any cup knowing that as soon as it gets to those points it will be re-racked for you. If there was only one re-rack at 6, then strategy comes into play because you would want to hit cups for a favorable rack after that point knowing it will not be re-racked. It would just make the game harder, which I think is good. That being said the game isn't that bad the way it is. I originally posted this before I had played in a tourney, and although the two re-racks favor weaker teams, they generally do not win with of course some exceptions.
prusch Joined: 08.22.2006 Age: 30 Total Games: 145 W/L %: 77.24 Avg CD: 1.70 Full Stats	Posted: Jul 24th 2008, 08:19 pm Post subject: Re-racks I'm pretty sure that reracks will not be changed this year. Calling your own racks adds strategy and makes things interesting. I like the idea of a game where you can only call one rack, and it can only be at 6, 4, or 3. [I'd argue that nothing else is a legitimate rack... anything else strays from what is found in the original 10 cup triangle, and is more of a made up formation than a rack]. Sometimes we play where you call the cup the opponent has to hit, no reracks. Makes it interesting, but definitely not for the World Series.
dwissbrun2 Joined: 11.15.2006 Age: 32 Total Games: 113 W/L %: 51.33 Avg CD: -0.11 Full Stats	Posted: Jul 24th 2008, 09:08 pm Post subject: Re-racks i just have problem with the whole "lessen" the reracks argument. it seems like it just shouldn't matter to good teams what racks their opponents can or can not shoot at. if you're good enough to hit the cups you're aiming at and "naturally" (with out mandatory cup #'s) set up your own racks, then you should be able to beat most teams pretty easily. those teams that you can't beat easily are the ones that are equal or better than yours - and thus you can't beat them easily no matter what the racks are. i guess lessening the re-racks will prevent "lucky" runs, but that seems to be a part of every sport. i know i've lost to a number of teams that just got lucky and went on a run that was way better than their talent - that's just part of the game. and i still had turns to match their streak, i just wasn't up to it at that time - my bad. on any given sunday gentlemen.
dub Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 81 Total Games: 125 W/L %: 65.6 Avg CD: 1.09 Full Stats	Posted: Jul 24th 2008, 09:26 pm Post subject: Re-racks With an event this size, you have to have re-racks to make the games go faster. Not all these teams going can just nail a messy rack like some people can.
justpongit Joined: 04.18.2007 Age: 28 Total Games: 46 W/L %: 84.78 Avg CD: 2.28 Full Stats	Posted: Jul 25th 2008, 07:45 pm Post subject: Re-racks Rules are a give and take guys...you can argue leaning, you can argue re-racks and you can even argue rebuttals but the fact is that these rules are perfect for TOURNAMENT play...I'm willing to bet that over 90% of the people arguing about rules on this forum (and youtube for that matter) have never ran a tournament themselves so all they know is the player’s side of it...you don't think tournament organizers want to enforce elbow rule and any other rule that promotes the more skillful players advancing?...of course they do...the whole point is to see who the best players are right?...but from an administrative standpoint it's a fucking nightmare...they have to do whatever it takes to meet venue demands with one of the most important ones being time constraints…and that’s why a lot of these rules are in place…organizers want a smooth running tournament and players want to play in a smooth running tournament…if the players knew more about what goes on behind the scenes then they would see that there is definitely a method to the organizers’ madness
aztruth Joined: 07.08.2008 Total Games: 0 W/L %: 0 Avg CD: 0 Full Stats	Posted: Jul 25th 2008, 11:48 pm Post subject: Re-racks I agree that they do the best job possible with the rules for the world series. I'm just throwing out my preference for reracks in general.