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juzam139 Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 29 Total Games: 92 W/L %: 67.39 Avg CD: 1.25 Full Stats	Posted: Jul 31st 2008, 06:40 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... Ok so I know this has been debated before on some level, but I'd still like to see this rule instituted at the World Series. Some people make the argument that "Oh well one person can hit 8 cups in a row to tie it and carry the team" but eventually that person can't keep hitting 8 cups and the better team wins farther on down the road against better competition. I think the best reason for allowing shoot till you miss is that you spend all this money and fly out to Vegas and once someone hits last cup, the chances of both you and your partner to hit back to back shots (or however many is needed to have a chance to tie it) is not good, plain and simple. I say, shoot till you miss at the end of the game for both players but if the players fail to tie it/win it, then the team that won it and hit the last cup first should get the original cup differential of when they started shooting at the rack. It should be cups hit in regulation, not redemption. I also think that if we allow this rule, no re-racks once last cup is hit unless they were owed one the turn before last cup was hit. This should make things more interesting and will favor the better players and strategy. Also, make OT sudden death. This way the team that hit last cup first goes first with both balls and can theoretically run it out despite the run out. This removes the excuses, the doubts, any other kind of shit you can think of for saying you lost. But if you have shoot till you miss with both players no matter what, and you think you're the best player out there, hit the fuckin cups and tie it. Otherwise you can fly home with a clear mind knowing you had the chance to tie it at every loss and you didn't. Austin at MDbeerpong has it, I believe the WorldPongTour has this, and other countless tournaments have shoot till you miss. It removes the excuse of "They hit X amount of cups in a row and we didn't have a chance." And when you lay the kind of cash it's gonna take to come to Vegas to play beerpong, I think this should be allowed. Thoughts/concerns? (Just to make things clear for people who haven't heard of this or know it by another name. Once last cup is hit, each player with one ball shoots and if they make it, they take it. Once that one player misses, they're done and the next player takes over and continues to try and hit the remaining cups to tie it and hit last cup).
skinny Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 31 Total Games: 1 W/L %: 100 Avg CD: 1.00 Full Stats	Posted: Jul 31st 2008, 07:08 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... Huh? You want to make getting to overtime easier (and yes, this does make it easier), and the make overtime sudden death? are you kidding? Moreover, are you referring to prelims or finals? On one hand, you talk about 'flying to vegas', which would imply you're talking about prelims, but i'm not really clear. At any rate, I'm fairly sure that most people will be squarely against this. Beer Pong is a team sport. If you're four in the whole, both teammates should have to hit two without missing to make it back (i've seen it happen at least once .
juzam139 Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 29 Total Games: 92 W/L %: 67.39 Avg CD: 1.25 Full Stats	Posted: Jul 31st 2008, 07:34 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... Well yes it would obviously make getting to OT easier, I'm not debating that. And making it sudden death would favor the team that hit last cup first in the event that the other team ties it up. Yeah both partners hitting two cups each I guess is not too unreasonable, but if someone is having an off game (and no one tell me they never have an off game because if you never did, you'd never miss and I know no one does that), then this gives you a chance to redeem yourself. Beerpong is a team sport and this still could come down to someone hitting 3 cups in redemption and the other person hitting 3 cups in redemption, tieing it up and then could still lose out right in OT. The reason for OT sudden death is because of the time constraint of the World Series. I say only have this in pre-lims first two days and if you aren't good enough to come back in any of those games, well you won't be seeing the final day where you take this rule away and go to the each partner must make it to keep going.
nvelissa Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 29 Total Games: 171 W/L %: 69.59 Avg CD: 1.18 Full Stats	Posted: Jul 31st 2008, 08:15 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... why change it for rebuttal. it makes no sense. all game long you alternate. the only exception to this would be if on three rack, you both hit and it is up to the team to decide who takes it...just like in the game. shoot until you miss just makes rebuttal a completely different game. extra innings in baseball, you are losing, so now you should you get to bat your 3-4-5 hitters in a row every time until you tie it...then it returns to normal gameplay. why keep posting this shit. leaning, elbow rule, all this shit...its annoying and pointless. play it how it is. stick to playing Jerry's Kids fundraisers and Special Olympic matches in your basement, the WSOBP is good how it is.
aztruth Joined: 07.08.2008 Total Games: 0 W/L %: 0 Avg CD: 0 Full Stats	Posted: Jul 31st 2008, 08:27 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... I think that the rule should stay how it is. The WSOBP already addresses making sure people don't make so many in a row on a turn by only giving one ball back and only allowing for a maximum of 3 cups per turn. If you are so many cups down at the end and need both players to have the shoot til you miss to come back then you probably deserve to lose that game.
jklsu04 Joined: 10.14.2006 Age: 30 Total Games: 24 W/L %: 12.5 Avg CD: -3.21 Full Stats	Posted: Jul 31st 2008, 09:06 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... nvelissa why change it for rebuttal. it makes no sense. all game long you alternate. the only exception to this would be if on three rack, you both hit and it is up to the team to decide who takes it...just like in the game. shoot until you miss just makes rebuttal a completely different game. extra innings in baseball, you are losing, so now you should you get to bat your 3-4-5 hitters in a row every time until you tie it...then it returns to normal gameplay. why keep posting this shit. leaning, elbow rule, all this shit...its annoying and pointless. play it how it is. stick to playing Jerry's Kids fundraisers and Special Olympic matches in your basement, the WSOBP is good how it is. I disagree. I think that it's worth discussing. However, it would be difficult to implement during the preliminary 12 games and still keep the tourney on schedule.......
dwissbrun2 Joined: 11.15.2006 Age: 32 Total Games: 113 W/L %: 51.33 Avg CD: -0.11 Full Stats	Posted: Jul 31st 2008, 04:09 pm Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... rebuttal rules are good as is. CTFK - proves skinny's point that rebuttals are totally possible given the rules. & Neil of We Own Your Face proves the point that if you just let one person shoot then the game will be dominated by him and it is no longer a team game - the performance he had in the finals of WSOBP II. jklsu04 However, it would be difficult to implement during the preliminary 12 games and still keep the tourney on schedule....... prelims are sudden death... so arguing that shoot til you miss should be implemented there also implies that you think that the format should be changed. given all our discussions here, i don't think that's going to happen. however, i do support changing prelim format to allow rebuttals... according to the current rules. nvelissa all game long you alternate are you talking about taking the 3rd shot??? you don't have to alternate between players... or i've been vastly confused for 2 years...
juzam139 Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 29 Total Games: 92 W/L %: 67.39 Avg CD: 1.25 Full Stats	Posted: Aug 1st 2008, 04:23 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... So how come nearly 75% of the tournaments/leagues out there allow for shoot till you miss and not the World Series? I'm not saying if everyone is doing it, it must be good. But it says something about it where if something is working, why not take another look at it and see why it's working. Also, why is everyone so afraid of someone rebuttling back? Are you afraid that if they do, you'll lose the game once they do? And yeah CTFK did do it on the biggest stage, but I wonder how many teams last year actually repeated that feat? I think allowing this just counters a team that not necessarily is better, but gets hot for one game.
billy Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 30 Total Games: 1 W/L %: 100 Avg CD: 1.00 Full Stats	Posted: Aug 1st 2008, 04:58 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... Here's the main reason I was always against it, which has already been briefly mentioned. If you allow just one guy to shoot until he misses, it is possible that if you pair a guy that never misses with a guy that will never hit a shot, that team could win The WSOBP because that one guy could never hit a shot, but the other guy will continuously win the game or carry it into OT. By making it a team effort, then the team as a whole must be hitting shots.
pandemonium2 Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 27 Total Games: 97 W/L %: 62.89 Avg CD: 0.91 Full Stats	Posted: Aug 1st 2008, 05:13 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... i like the rules the way they are! yea wpt plays with a shoot till u miss rebuttle, but they also play with different tables, a shooting line and different re-rack rules than the wsobp. This has been said many times but the WPT is peter's and his crews thing and the WSOBP is billy and duncans. although i also do agree with dave on allowing rebuttle in the prelims as well...