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azpong Joined: 10.23.2007 Total Games: 0 W/L %: 0 Avg CD: 0 Full Stats	Posted: Aug 12th 2008, 02:08 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... I like the rules as they are with one exception. Keep forcing alternation, even after a roll back. Players should alternate every shot, whether in redemption or not. I think the rules would then be perfect. It forces you to win as a TEAM, and still allows TEAMS to come from behind and force OT. I don't like the shoot till you miss thing and glad it isnt enforced at the WSOBP. My partner and I have played a perfect game and had some lucky drunk guy hit 4 cups in a row to force OT and never made another shot all night. Of course against us, he gets lucky. Shoot till you miss brings into the luck and streak factor. With that rule, the best TEAM doesnt always win. Yes, it is exciting, but it is just as exciting watching a TEAM hit 4 shots in a row while alternating.
sfoster Joined: 11.30.2007 Age: 29 Total Games: 136 W/L %: 75.74 Avg CD: 1.98 Full Stats	Posted: Aug 12th 2008, 02:27 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... IMO they'll never base rules around mandatory alteration across multiple turns, because it's too difficult to enforce. People will lose track over the rounds and then it becomes randomly obeyed from game to game leading to inconsistent play across the different teams.
prusch Joined: 08.22.2006 Age: 31 Total Games: 161 W/L %: 77.02 Avg CD: 1.76 Full Stats	Posted: Aug 12th 2008, 02:40 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... juzam139 You keep stressing the team aspect of the game, but if there is a perfect game, in theory the better player could take the bonus shot each time (because you don't need to alternate your shot) and then hit last cup therefore hitting 7 cups out of the 10. How is that a team game? This happened at WSOBP II. Neil was awesome. But Tone still hit 3 cups in only 5 shots - a good percentage by itself, still contributing to the team. Neil would not have had the opportunity to individually shine had his teammate not stepped up to the plate as well - and the team benefits. juzam139 There you have an individual basically beating a team right there with the current rules in place. Why shouldn't the other team have the opportunity to match that individual effort? I know that your partner hit it to bring them back, but you're still giving the ball everytime to the better individual on the team letting them take control of the game. Wrong. Tone had to hit 3/5 shots. Had Tone missed, Neil would have only had the opportunity to hit 5 cups in those five turns, and the game would've likely swung in the other team's favor (I'd like to point out that pwntrain had a great game - getting the rollback on each turn). Neil carried the load, but it was a team effort. You ask why the other team should not have the opportunity to match the individual effort. I say that they did - but they missed cups, and failed to make that happen. As baker said before, when a player doesn't shoot til he misses in the game, why should he when it comes to trying to tie the game? Maybe what you should argue is that we should change the way the game is played in regulation... let's give every individual the chance to shine on each turn - just shoot til you miss, every time you have the ball. If that was the way the game was played, I'd better understand these arguments. It's not, so I don't. This 7 for 7 individual effort scenario has been brought up multiple times. Maybe to make it more of a team game we should argue about making a team alternate the rollback shot should multiple rollbacks occur in one game (something I thought was a rule at WSOBP II). Then the perfect game scenario would be 6/6 and 4/4 - a little more balanced.
prusch Joined: 08.22.2006 Age: 31 Total Games: 161 W/L %: 77.02 Avg CD: 1.76 Full Stats	Posted: Aug 12th 2008, 02:44 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... sfoster IMO they'll never base rules around mandatory alteration across multiple turns, because it's too difficult to enforce. People will lose track over the rounds and then it becomes randomly obeyed from game to game leading to inconsistent play across the different teams. I personally don't think it's too hard to remember which player took a rollback shot. I think it could at least be instituted to have a team alternate that one shot should it occur more than once. Perhaps most of the people there wouldn't remember.
sfoster Joined: 11.30.2007 Age: 29 Total Games: 136 W/L %: 75.74 Avg CD: 1.98 Full Stats	Posted: Aug 12th 2008, 02:48 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... prusch Perhaps most of the people there wouldn't remember. There's a lot of drinking going on for some people. I think it would be easy enough to remember for my own team, but harder to keep track of my opponents.
zjswish24 Joined: 08.04.2008 Age: 24 Total Games: 81 W/L %: 72.84 Avg CD: 1.15 Full Stats	Posted: Aug 12th 2008, 02:52 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... agreeing with the last comment, it is really hard to remember whos turn it is over multiple rounds, because that is exactly how my partner and I decide who shoots the 1 shot. As for claiming that you beat an individual, in a team sport, that is a absurd claim. You beat that team, which is the point of the sport. If you want to claim that you beat an individual, play them 1 on 1. I love the current rules, i think it really eliminates the hot/cold streak as best it can, for the same reason that you are not relying on shot after shot. Given, yes you can still catch fire in not shooting one after another. As for keeping the rules the same throughout the entire match. I must say that it does seem the MOST fair, but does eliminate an awesome TEAM comeback. Which, we all know how pumped you are after an insane comeback. Either way that is my take on all of this. Personally say, leave it the same.
dub Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 82 Total Games: 125 W/L %: 65.6 Avg CD: 1.09 Full Stats	Posted: Aug 12th 2008, 03:21 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... The funny thing about the alternating the rollback shots is that my partner and I thought you HAD to WSOBP2. Haha...we alternated every time, regardless of who was hot. We never noticed the opponents not doing it, I guess. I found out you didn't have to alternate while I was watching the final match and Neil was shooting the rollback shot every time. Haha...man, we felt fucking stupid.
juzam139 Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 30 Total Games: 92 W/L %: 67.39 Avg CD: 1.25 Full Stats	Posted: Aug 12th 2008, 03:44 am Post subject: Shoot till you miss at WSOB IV... I find it kind of funny that there were 15 people who said we should shoot till you miss and it seems like only Foster and Me are for it. I guess people's main points are it's a team game and that it should be a team effort. I'm not discounting the team effort, but a lot of other sports offer the chance for an individual to redeem a teammate's poor performance or even the team for that matter. Is this not worthy of being a team effort? Picking up someone up where someone has failed? I guess we all have good points, but I feel like it's democrats vs. republicans here and we could go on forever more with additional points and neither of us would change each other's stance on it. I still feel we should revisit the rules every year as people's opinions may change with more gameplay and more people get involved. I still like the analogy of how football never used the instant replay rule and now they have it and I think the game has changed for the better. I know we have some sort of rebuttals in place which I guess is better than nothing. I'd just like to walk away from the World Series knowing I had a chance to tie it despite my teammate's poor performance one or two games. I know people have said, "You had a chance during the game" but that one last chance for your sake knowing I could have tied it up myself despite how lucky/hot/good the other team was/poor shooting I was early and I could have tied it and didn't. Besides, knowing my luck, if the rule was changed, people would find out who I am and rebuttal the shit out of every cup left on the table that my team won which I'm ok with, but hey that's karma.