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    Posted: Nov 10th 2008, 08:02 pm
    Post subject: Winning your own satellite

  • So on Friday 54 teams showed up to play in the first ever oregonBpong.com tournament and I only have one question.
     
    On a scale from 1 to 10, how weak is it to win your own tournament?  10 being you should f 'in be ashamed of yourself and 1 being nothing could possibly be wrong with that.
     
    my vote is 8.7
     
    chime in...
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    Posted: Nov 10th 2008, 08:22 pm
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  • Yeah When I host tournaments I ask everyperson and if anyone has a problem with it I won't play but in all honesty (key word) If they run it correctly and arent Dishonest they have the same chances of winning! But I always ask the masses most of the people we have we know and they want me to play! Anyone can be beat at anytime!
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    Posted: Nov 10th 2008, 08:33 pm
    Post subject: Winning your own satellite

  • I give it a 10. That being said, if we didn't organize a tournament, there wouldn't have even been one. So I don't care what anyone else thinks.
     
    I give Ashley and I the best chance of winning the Eugene tournament too. No one can say anything about that. It's going to be disgraceful for everyone else there. LOL
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    Posted: Nov 11th 2008, 01:35 am
    Post subject: Winning your own satellite

  • "solidgold"
    I give it a 10. That being said, if we didn't organize a tournament, there wouldn't have even been one. So I don't care what anyone else thinks.
     
    I give Ashley and I the best chance of winning the Eugene tournament too. No one can say anything about that. It's going to be disgraceful for everyone else there. LOL

     
    there is nothing wrong with it at all.  i play in all of our tournaments.  there are like 10 million people in chicago, and i have still run the only satellite tournament in the city.  i will always play in my own tournaments.  i only run them so i can play in tournaments. i am a beer pong player not a tournament coordinator.  so for cities that do not have a world pong tour or something like it, then you should in no way be ashamed of yourself for playing.  if you win, good for you...looks like you were the best.  that said, it needs to still be random draw and no favoritism, but if someone cannot win a satellite because you are playing in the tournament all that means is that they do not belong at the world series and you do.  more power to you for winning your own.  
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    Posted: Nov 11th 2008, 07:24 am
    Post subject: Winning your own satellite

  • "kellanismyname"
    So on Friday 54 teams showed up to play in the first ever oregonBpong.com tournament and I only have one question.
    On a scale from 1 to 10, how weak is it to win your own tournament?  10 being you should f 'in be ashamed of yourself and 1 being nothing could possibly be wrong with that.
    my vote is 8.7
    chime in...

    I like the way you phrased this question because I think it is more of a ethical question that doesn't really have a right or wrong answer.
     
    I think if someone is going to pay money to participate in an event, certain expectations come along with that.
    In some tournaments the entry fees go mainly toward the cash prize and that's the motivation to play while other tournaments include a little bit more (free food, beer, t-shirts, etc).
     
    One thing you're paying for is for the coordinators to run the best event they are capable of.
    I'm sorry but playing in your own tournament takes away from that.
    No matter how good you are at running tournaments, if you're playing you're not running the tournament.
    It's hard to juggle both without it effecting the tournament at least a little.
     
    At MDBEERPONG, Jim and I have play in our league tournaments, mainly because we never get to play at any of the other ones.  We've won a few, but we don't take any of the prize money and just shift it to 2nd, 3rd, etc instead.  Jim and I both play in our 1-on-1 tournaments using the same model which is a lot easier because one of us can play while the other runs the tournament.
     
    I'm going to base my answer off of the question of motivation.
    If your motivation is to compete and play against the local competition, I say it's ok.
    If your motivation is to make money, then I think it's kind of shady and I don't like it.
    If it's about competing then you wouldn't take the prizes (cash, satellite bid, etc).
     
    So I'm going to say 9 if you the coordinators take the prizes, 1 if they don't.
     
    I understand what nvelissa is saying though.
    I've had to deal with the frustration of never getting to play for a long time.  
     

     


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    Posted: Nov 11th 2008, 08:03 am
    Post subject: Winning your own satellite

  • "nvelissa"
    "solidgold"
    I give it a 10. That being said, if we didn't organize a tournament, there wouldn't have even been one. So I don't care what anyone else thinks.
     
    I give Ashley and I the best chance of winning the Eugene tournament too. No one can say anything about that. It's going to be disgraceful for everyone else there. LOL

     
    there is nothing wrong with it at all.  i play in all of our tournaments.  there are like 10 million people in chicago, and i have still run the only satellite tournament in the city.  i will always play in my own tournaments.  i only run them so i can play in tournaments. i am a beer pong player not a tournament coordinator.  so for cities that do not have a world pong tour or something like it, then you should in no way be ashamed of yourself for playing.  if you win, good for you...looks like you were the best.  that said, it needs to still be random draw and no favoritism, but if someone cannot win a satellite because you are playing in the tournament all that means is that they do not belong at the world series and you do.  more power to you for winning your own.  

    as someone who has played in over probably 60 tournaments that nick has run, i have to agree with him.  there's nothing wrong with winning your own tournament, just as long as you run it fair & don't pull any bs like giving yourself or your buddy's an unfair bye in some round.
     
    if we didn't have clutchpong running tournaments in michigan, then i guess i would be trying to do it now that nick is gone, and i sure as shit would play in them.
     
    for what austin said, i agree, but only if you are making money throwing tournaments.  i'm not exactly sure how profitable hosting tournaments in Oregon or Michigan for that matter is.  so if i'm just breaking even, then i'm playing and keeping any prizes i win.  if i am making a profit from the tournaments then i would do what austin said he does, and defer the prizes to 2nd and/or 3rd.
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    Posted: Nov 11th 2008, 10:31 am
    Post subject: Winning your own satellite

  • I would just like to say.. we didn't pull any bs. In fact, we drew a 1st round buy but ended up re-randomizing the draw just so we wouldn't get a 1st round buy. We were by far the best team in the tournament, and that is why we won.  $650 of the $1000 we won went back to cover to costs. (It's a good thing we won or we would have lost a ton of money)
     
    All of that being said, I have heard from many people in our tourney that they felt it was unfair. Even my gf doesn't like that Kellan and I played in the tournament. For the most part, it was assumed from the beginning that we would win. I think it is mostly this reason people didn't like it. My gf sort of sees it like winning your own raffle or something. Others see it as holding a tournament just to take other people's money.
     
    My whole thing is; why would I run a tournament so other people can enjoy something and I can't? I don't care about the money, I just like to play beer pong.
     
    Oh well.. they are going to be really pissed when Ashley and I win the next satellite.
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    Posted: Nov 11th 2008, 11:40 am
    Post subject: Winning your own satellite

  • Austin pretty much said everything I'd want to say.  I completely understand Nick's position.  I didn't organize tournaments so that I could be a douchebag promoter/organizer.  I'm definitely a player first as well.  I wanted to get people together so that good teams had other good teams to play more often, myself included.
     
    One of the biggest problems though is that to get a good enough prize, you need teams to show up.  If you play in a tournament, and the tournament suffers because of poor organization due to the fact that you're playing, it might be hard as is to get people to come back to a future tournament.  If you win a tournament that is poorly run because you played, you'll likely have an even harder time getting people to come back.  No people = shitty tournament.
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    Posted: Nov 11th 2008, 11:41 am
    Post subject: Winning your own satellite

  • personally, i have no issues with organizers participating in their own tournaments under the following assumptions:
     
    - as austin pointed out, it doesn't detract from how smoothly the tournament progresses. this would likely only be possible if you had additional people involved in running the tourney.
     
    - nothing shady is going on with the draws (people might bitch about this, even if the draw is OK)
     
    other than that i say go for it, even if you are making some $ off running the tourney. i want to play against the best teams out there and if it happens to be the organizers then let it be.
     
    think about it this way, if the organizers were shitty bpong players and lost in the first round, no one would bitch and complain. it only becomes an issue if the organizers are solid players and go far in the draw. in the end it comes down to that some people will be upset that they LOST and the fact that they lost to the organizers gives them a good EXCUSE to complain and try to justify their loss.  

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    Posted: Nov 11th 2008, 11:56 am
    Post subject: Winning your own satellite

  • As organizers we do a ton of work leading up to the events with all the promoting flyering different cities and what not, I have a team that goes along with running all events. someone one who coordinates boards someone who takes pics and assists in making sure everything is being set up right(spills and questions) and then there is me i tell people where to play at what time. So that said as a coordinator I still think it's up to the crowd, for major money games ($1000 pots)or satellites i think it's up to the masses! I think everyone of these points are avlid though this is an awesome discussion! From our point out in Az most everyone wants us to play its the fun of the game to compete against the best competition and beat the best to become the best!
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