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slowsen Joined: 09.25.2007 Age: 31 Total Games: 12 W/L %: 8.33 Avg CD: -2.17 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 6th 2009, 06:13 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news oh, the article made it seem like a much bigger deal. I assume if it was just a misunderstanding then they're not really banned for life
alexdurkee Joined: 12.03.2007 Age: 26 Total Games: 47 W/L %: 70.21 Avg CD: 1.45 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 6th 2009, 06:53 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news Thanks Jeff and Austin... I really didn't know where to post or even if I should post. I know I told a couple people already... but I blacked out right after playing the McAllisters. I had no idea even what happened until around ten oclock that night when I woke up and was filled in. So it's hard for me to argue what I was thinking at the time or how I ended up on the table to begin with. I would never cheat attempt to win. In MD we do play after an extra game to determine 5th/7th so that is a possiblity. We talked to Skinny, later in Oshea's And tried to clear some things up, which if I remember correctly we did. It sucks there's already an article out there with "Scandal" in the title, with no attempt to ask someone from MD or even Randy's//my side. But whatever, what's done is done. This was my 2nd year at the WS and my partners 3rd, hopefully we get things cleared up so we can make it a 3rd and 4th time out.
longtravelyota Joined: 12.23.2006 Age: 26 Total Games: 62 W/L %: 72.58 Avg CD: 1.29 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 6th 2009, 10:35 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news so does anyone know what they are gonna do with the videos from the feature table? We played on their 3 times and are wondering if its gonna be posted on bpong.com down the road or gonna be used for something else?
kobe24 Joined: 08.14.2008 Age: 26 Total Games: 82 W/L %: 81.71 Avg CD: 1.73 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 6th 2009, 10:45 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news "longtravelyota" so does anyone know what they are gonna do with the videos from the feature table? We played on their 3 times and are wondering if its gonna be posted on bpong.com down the road or gonna be used for something else? It's going to be a while...They interviewed us and a bunch of other teams for a while in their suite. They said it will be similar to the World Series of Poker. Can't wait though... Last edited on Jan 6th 2009, 10:45 pm
j0schm03 Joined: 10.05.2007 Age: 26 Total Games: 62 W/L %: 77.42 Avg CD: 1.77 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 6th 2009, 10:49 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news I don't think the HDNet guys are the same as the feature table guys, but I could be wrong.
bszeusbs Joined: 01.06.2007 Age: 27 Total Games: 0 W/L %: 0 Avg CD: 0 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 6th 2009, 11:03 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news my teammate said when he got back to alabama, there was a small blurb on his local news
skinny Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 31 Total Games: 1 W/L %: 100 Avg CD: 1.00 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 6th 2009, 11:22 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news "alexdurkee" Thanks Jeff and Austin... I really didn't know where to post or even if I should post. I know I told a couple people already... but I blacked out right after playing the McAllisters. I had no idea even what happened until around ten oclock that night when I woke up and was filled in. So it's hard for me to argue what I was thinking at the time or how I ended up on the table to begin with. I would never cheat attempt to win. In MD we do play after an extra game to determine 5th/7th so that is a possiblity. We talked to Skinny, later in Oshea's And tried to clear some things up, which if I remember correctly we did. It sucks there's already an article out there with "Scandal" in the title, with no attempt to ask someone from MD or even Randy's//my side. But whatever, what's done is done. This was my 2nd year at the WS and my partners 3rd, hopefully we get things cleared up so we can make it a 3rd and 4th time out. To talk briefly about this, as Austin has said, there was no scorecard for the game, and I went up to the guys from "2 kids from Hampstead" and asked them who had won their game against "Not Even Close" (because I knew who the guys from "2 Kids" were, and did not believe there would be a problem with just asking them). They told me that they had won the game. After later talking with Austin, the guys from "2 Kids from Hampstead", and a few others, I do not believe that these guys intentionally tried to misrepresent their results - It appears to be an unfortunate misunderstanding on their part. We have talked it over internally, and are comfortable with having the team back for future events. Last edited on Jan 6th 2009, 11:23 pm
bighuni Joined: 10.21.2007 Age: 27 Total Games: 58 W/L %: 65.52 Avg CD: 0.95 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 03:53 am Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news "skinny" "alexdurkee" Thanks Jeff and Austin... I really didn't know where to post or even if I should post. I know I told a couple people already... but I blacked out right after playing the McAllisters. I had no idea even what happened until around ten oclock that night when I woke up and was filled in. So it's hard for me to argue what I was thinking at the time or how I ended up on the table to begin with. I would never cheat attempt to win. In MD we do play after an extra game to determine 5th/7th so that is a possiblity. We talked to Skinny, later in Oshea's And tried to clear some things up, which if I remember correctly we did. It sucks there's already an article out there with "Scandal" in the title, with no attempt to ask someone from MD or even Randy's//my side. But whatever, what's done is done. This was my 2nd year at the WS and my partners 3rd, hopefully we get things cleared up so we can make it a 3rd and 4th time out. To talk briefly about this, as Austin has said, there was no scorecard for the game, and I went up to the guys from "2 kids from Hampstead" and asked them who had won their game against "Not Even Close" (because I knew who the guys from "2 Kids" were, and did not believe there would be a problem with just asking them). They told me that they had won the game. After later talking with Austin, the guys from "2 Kids from Hampstead", and a few others, I do not believe that these guys intentionally tried to misrepresent their results - It appears to be an unfortunate misunderstanding on their part. We have talked it over internally, and are comfortable with having the team back for future events. Yea well since it seems to everyone this isn't much of a problem, let me speak on this since my partner and I are the ones who were deeply affected by this (NO QUARTER). First off, NOBODY was affected by this as bad as we were obviously. That said, I am still unclear how it has come out that the staff believes it was truly a mistake. Before the game even started, the kid from Maryland asked if we would wait for his partner to show because he was taking a shit (This now makes me think he was waitin for him to come from the casino because thats where they were when they were called) So right there is the first lie... Both team members knew that they were not supposed to be playing and although they were called up they knew they were already eliminated. I dont care how MD does there tourneys but they both knew the WSOBP does not do it that way. Obviously when the news broke to me, I was extremely furious and frustrated. After beating them we were supposedly in the top 6 now where top 4 pays out and 1st is the obvious 50k, meaning one more win and we place. However, after losing the game to Not Even Close I think I snapped. I personally went and apologized to Billy after calming down a bit for over reacting, which I really meant, although I still feel we were severely cheated by what happened. Not only did we get a win taken away to put us in the final six teams, but more importantly our emotions and momentum were completely changed at that point. Therefore, we were already at a huge disadvantage going into the game with Not Even Close. The point is that what happened is extremely wrong. The game was on the feature table on film. What I still do not understand is that if you were not trying to lie or cheat then why did you tell Skinny that you won the game in the first place. None of this makes sense to either me or my partner and it is extremely unfortunate that we were the only team to be cheated because of this. After reading this forum I see that it has been spoken upon that team returnin for next year, etc. but what about us??????? Nobody is talkin about it from our standpoint. It is easy to say good thing only one team was affected, but when it is your team thats affected its a bit different. Had this happened with 25 to 30 teams left to go it would have been one thing, but when we win a game to get down to the final 6 leavin us one game away from making the payouts it was heartbreaking to have that game taken away from us, just to lose in a round we already won in to eliminate us from the tournament. However, as frustrated as we both are at the outcome, we both had an incredible time overall at the world series as we went from 4-8 last year to 12-0 in the prelims including beating last years champions Chauffeuring the Fat Kid, and going originally 5-1 in day 2 before having the win taken away and replaced with a loss making our record a total of 16-2 overall in which we also beat Chauffeuring the Fat Kid on day 3 again to eliminate them. Also, to defend Billy, Duncan, and Skinny, it was a very unfortunate situation for them too. I can guarantee on there behalf that they would never want that to happen in the first place or ever again for that matter. And although the final decision really affected us greatly, they also handled the situation well as they have agreed to compensate us with a refund of this years buyin and an entry into next year. One of them also grabbed my partner (apparently while i was buggin out) and told him they were gonna look out for us more than that but I am not sure about any of that because at the time I was throwing my fit. I did get a chance to apologize face to face with Billy but not to Skinny or Duncan as they were not around, so to both of them I apologize as well. I do hope that everyone does look at it from our perspective though and see where we are coming from. It was more than just the win being taken away from us, it was the fact that our momentum was SEVERELY affected and so were our emotions. ALso, another reason I was so livid with this is because before we even played Not Even Close a member of their team came up and basically said that it was not the Maryland guys fault it was the staff members and that really ran my emotions high because it was one thing for the MD guys to say that but when the other team said the same thing, how could we believe otherwise? At the time it seemed as if the staff had made a mistake and instead of admitting it they were trying to put the blame on the players instead. (I AM IN NO WAY SAYING THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED, JUST SAYING THIS IS HOW IT WAS PERCEIVED AT THE TIME, WHICH CAN EXPLAIN MY LITTLE TEMPER FIT I HAD). So I hope that clears up a little bit of an explanation on why I was so livid and heated. I can honestly say I am a very friendly guy and very laid back and just out to have fun, but I do not think I have been that mad about something in years, and I have had one fucked up 2008, a lot of shit had gone wrong in the past year, but at the time that set off a bomb I have never seen of my own self. Also, my partner and I do feel that the word scandal is appropriate for this because no matter whose fault it was, IT DEFINITELY WAS NOT OUR FAULT and we were the only team affected by what happened. I would like to hear everyone else's opinion, and if it includes bashing me or my team in any way then go for it, we can handle it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Last edited on Jan 7th 2009, 03:58 am
austin Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 32 Total Games: 122 W/L %: 77.87 Avg CD: 1.85 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 08:01 am Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news Ok, I'm going to do my best to respond to bighuni's post but it's going to be tough considering I read at a 5th grade level and it's probably the longest thing I've read since college (which was 8 years ago). "bighuni" That said, I am still unclear how it has come out that the staff believes it was truly a mistake. I'm not sure if it was you I talked to, but I talked to either you or your partner for about a half hour afterward and I thought we had kind of agreed. I'll explain more later... "bighuni" Before the game even started, the kid from Maryland asked if we would wait for his partner to show because he was taking a shit (This now makes me think he was waitin for him to come from the casino because thats where they were when they were called) So right there is the first lie... Really? Are you serious? Maybe he was taking a shit, maybe he was changing his tampon, I don't think this matters at all. The fact is that they were both down in the casino with no intention of playing more beer pong when they were called. "bighuni" Both team members knew that they were not supposed to be playing and although they were called up they knew they were already eliminated. I dont care how MD does there tourneys but they both knew the WSOBP does not do it that way. First of all, I know for a fact that in WSOBP 1 they played a 5th-6th match because I was a part of it. This event has been evolving every year since it was created because it keeps getting bigger and better. Not once in the 4 year history of the event has the final day been the same. To make a statement saying "they both know" isn't fair. As you could probably tell, they both had enjoyed their drinks that day and have when they've been at the WSOBP before. I can honestly say that if they would have played out 5th-6th or 7th-8th in the years I was eliminated early, I would have never know. I haven't seen the WSOBP III results posted and the only reason I know they didn't play out those matches is because I was still playing. In WSOBP II, I didn't really pay attention until like the top 4. 2 Kids From Hampstead have never made it that far so to say that they knew is not fair. Look at it from their perspective (assuming they were not trying to deceive anyone). If you were called up for a match at the 7th-8th stage of the tournament, is it out of the realm of possibilities that you're playing a 7th-8th match? "bighuni" I still feel we were severely cheated by what happened. Not only did we get a win taken away to put us in the final six teams, but more importantly our emotions and momentum were completely changed at that point. Therefore, we were already at a huge disadvantage going into the game with Not Even Close. I'm not going to speculate at how I would have reacted in the same situation or make an opinion either way on whether you reacted in the correct way. Only you guys can say how you felt and with emotions high things effect everyone differently. It really, really sucked that you thought you were further in the bracket than you thought. From a purely factual and non-emotional standpoint, you did lose to the team that you were supposed to play. "bighuni" The point is that what happened is extremely wrong. The game was on the feature table on film. What I still do not understand is that if you were not trying to lie or cheat then why did you tell Skinny that you won the game in the first place. I talked to just about everyone involved. I talked to 2 Kids, I talked to Skinny, and I talked to someone from No Quarter. In Skinny's previous post he indicated that Randy said that they won. I asked Skinny at least 50 times that night exactly what was said. Skinny said that all Randy said was "Yeah". After talking to everyone at length, I was under the impression that he never said "we won". How could this happen? I think it's extremely possible. Take this as an example: Randy is leaving the area to go gamble after they lose. Skinny doesn't have the scorecard (responsibility of the winning team) and in an attempt to find out who won, sees Randy and goes over to ask him. Skinny asks, "Did you win?" Randy stares at Skinny with a blank, drunken stare. Skinny, in an attempt to find the answer asks, "Not Even Close?" Randy says "Yeah" as is in, yes, it was not even close (they lost by 8 in that game). Skinny thinks he means, yes, 2 Kids won. Randy goes down to gamble thinking he told Skinny they lost. I'm not saying that's exactly what went down. I'm just giving that as an example of how one person could think one thing and the other person could think the opposite. Hence the term I like to use: misunderstanding. Now when you say "lie or cheat" you are implying malicious intent. It is asinine to think that someone with any tournament experience would think they could get away with misreporting a win to stay alive in a tournament, no matter how drunk they were. If they intended to deceive someone, their actions after the game don't make sense. Are you really going to tell me that they "cheated" and say it with a straight face? "bighuni" but what about us??????? Nobody is talkin about it from our standpoint. It is easy to say good thing only one team was affected, but when it is your team thats affected its a bit different. No one is trying to put words in your mouth and only you can say how it effected you. This is the first you've chimed in and it's your right to talk about it. Hopefully by the end everyone will see eye to eye. "bighuni" Also, to defend Billy, Duncan, and Skinny, it was a very unfortunate situation for them too. I can guarantee on there behalf that they would never want that to happen in the first place or ever again for that matter. Of course they don't want something like that to happen. No one did. Skinny was in the midst of running the biggest tournament in the world and I commend him on that. They all do a great job running thew WSOBP which is why it's an awesome event. "bighuni" ALso, another reason I was so livid with this is because before we even played Not Even Close a member of their team came up and basically said that it was not the Maryland guys fault it was the staff members and that really ran my emotions high because it was one thing for the MD guys to say that but when the other team said the same thing, how could we believe otherwise? At the time it seemed as if the staff had made a mistake and instead of admitting it they were trying to put the blame on the players instead. As I said before, I don't think it's important to place blame. In my opinion, after talked to most everyone involved at great length, I came to the conclusion that it was in fact a terrible misunderstanding. You can place a little bit of blame on everyone involved if you really wanted to. Hindsight is 20/20. I hope that by now people have more information and have cleared their heads. At the time this happened, I was a mess trying to figure out what happened. I think a lot of people would have done things differently, including myself, if I had it to do over again. I need to apologize to Skinny and Billy for talking their ears off for like 2 hours about this. I was enjoying my drinks as well and probably was a pain in the ass, so I apologize. "bighuni" my partner and I do feel that the word scandal is appropriate scanÂ·dal (skndl) n. 1. A publicized incident that brings about disgrace or offends the moral sensibilities of society: a drug scandal that forced the mayor's resignation. 2. A person, thing, or circumstance that causes or ought to cause disgrace or outrage: a politician whose dishonesty is a scandal; considered the housing shortage a scandal. 3. Damage to reputation or character caused by public disclosure of immoral or grossly improper behavior; disgrace. 4. Talk that is damaging to one's character; malicious gossip. I have to agree that scandal is appropriate, regardless of whether it was intentional or not. On a final note, I believe this is why non-written, non-recorded, verbal communication doesn't hold up in court. It's not reliable!! Last edited on Jan 7th 2009, 08:08 am
skinny Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 31 Total Games: 1 W/L %: 100 Avg CD: 1.00 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 09:28 am Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news "austin" 1. A publicized incident that brings about disgrace or offends the moral sensibilities of society: I'm fairly sure our goal is to always offend the moral sensibilities of society. I do not want to spend much time on this, but what I will say is, regardless of how things happened, we had absolutely no choice but to re-play the Not Even Close-No Quarter game. Any other situation would have been grossly unfair to the other teams in the tournament. I wish more than anything that "2 Kids" would have been beaten "No Quarter" - the game would have been nullified and that would have been the end of it. We took the only action we saw as remotely reasonable, and while the situation sucked, I can not now imagine doing anything differently. More than anything in the world, I want to forget this ever happened. Next year, I will move my station into the final square so I that I will be able to monitor and track every game myself.