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austin Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 32 Total Games: 122 W/L %: 77.87 Avg CD: 1.85 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 09:42 am Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news "skinny" we had absolutely no choice but to re-play the Not Even Close-No Quarter game. Any other situation would have been grossly unfair to the other teams in the tournament. AGREED. Last edited on Jan 7th 2009, 09:42 am
bighuni Joined: 10.21.2007 Age: 27 Total Games: 58 W/L %: 65.52 Avg CD: 0.95 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 02:13 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news "skinny" "austin" 1. A publicized incident that brings about disgrace or offends the moral sensibilities of society: I'm fairly sure our goal is to always offend the moral sensibilities of society. I do not want to spend much time on this, but what I will say is, regardless of how things happened, we had absolutely no choice but to re-play the Not Even Close-No Quarter game. Any other situation would have been grossly unfair to the other teams in the tournament. I wish more than anything that "2 Kids" would have been beaten "No Quarter" - the game would have been nullified and that would have been the end of it. We took the only action we saw as remotely reasonable, and while the situation sucked, I can not now imagine doing anything differently. More than anything in the world, I want to forget this ever happened. Next year, I will move my station into the final square so I that I will be able to monitor and track every game myself. I can see how you say this is grossly unfair to other teams in the tournament, but it is still even more grossly unfair to our team as well. Austin made a very good point... it is the winning team's responsibility to turn in the scorecards. None of this would have never happened if they had turned in their original scorecard, am I right???? So by them making a mistake (and I am not trying to start anything with them, because they were two very nice guys) and not turning in their winning scorecard somehow it was taken down that they had loss and so my team plays a game in which we win that ends up not counting. But yet, everyone seems to say that it would have been grossly unfair to them yet it now seems that its their fault for not turning in the scorecard. Even if there was a verbal misunderstanding, etc. that is the whole reason scorecards were used for the entire tournament. It is just astonishing to me that it seems so unfair to other teams, but yet it does not seem unfair to us in any way. If this had happened to any other team I GUARANTEE they would feel the same exact way that we do, if not worse. Also, Austin it was me that you had talked to about this in the arena. However, since then so many more things have come out about this and its still unclear to me exactly how this "MISUNDERSTANDING" happened, and what we are trying to say here is that we were in no way involved with the "MISUNDERSTANDING" but we were the ONLY team to get affected by it!!!!!!!!!! But anyways, its whatever, whats done is done and again even though it screwed us badly at the time for the tournament, they have agreed to compensate us with this years buyin and entry into next year for the mistake, which my partner and I both agreed with them that was fair. So again, its an unfortunate situation that hopefully will never happen again and for the staff of bpong I am sure its a learning experience also that will allow them to make sure it does not happen to them again. Overall, it affected us greatly but as Skinny said, they really did not have any other options when it comes to replaying the game. It really just sucks that Not Even Close did not just turn in their scorecard after the game like every winning team had done the whole tournament. I am not saying we would have definitely beat them if none of this would have happened, but I can say we were riding an emotional high as we were 16-1 when this had happened and our emotions and momentum were EXTREMELY affected by what happened and we were in a totally different mindset playing that game than every other game played!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Last edited on Jan 7th 2009, 02:15 pm
skinny Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 31 Total Games: 1 W/L %: 100 Avg CD: 1.00 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 02:58 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news A couple of points: 1. No where is it explicitly stated that is the responsibility of the winning team to hand in their score card. This is an unwritten rule based upon the concept that a winning team is obviously more concerned than the losing team about the result being recorded correctly. 2. The members of "Not Even Close" have stated that they handed their scorecard to an official. I did not have the opportunity to try and determine in hindsight which official it was, because with all of the things going on, that information was immaterial. Even now, I don't really see how it matters. All I know is, I did not receive a scorecard. It is possible, and I stress the word 'possible', that 'Not Even Close' did in fact fail to hand in a scorecard. Unfortunately, it is also possible that the scorecard was lost by a member of the staff. Since we have no proof that "Not Even Close" failed to hand in a card, we can not penalize them. 3. This is not the first time that a scorecard has failed to reach the scoring table. Unfortunately, it happens often as players simply fail to hand them in. During prelims, we call the players to the scoring table and have them fill out a new card. During finals, we need the results more quickly so we can determine the next games. Also, by the time we reach finals, the field is usually small enough that we know each team individually. 4. I have never had a problem with a team verbally misreporting the result of a game. I had no reason to expect it in this case. Since I did not have a scorecard, I simply asked one of the team members. For whatever reason, I got the wrong answer.' No where in here can fault be placed on the members of Not Even Close. 5. It has been said many times, but the situation sucked, and that is it. We came up with the solution that we felt was most fair, and we stuck with it. In hindsight, we would not have done anything differently. I do not want to rediscuss this point, but I don't believe that "No Quarter" was 'greatly' affected. They played a game against a team that was no longer in the tournament, regardless of whether or not they had known it. If they had lost that game, it would not have counted. Therefore, the win does not count. The emotional effect of this is something that was outside of our control - "No Quarter" overreacted and that hurt them. 6. In light of the sympathy I felt for the intensity of the situation, I offered the team members of "No Quarter" a refund of their entrance fee for this year, which I believed (and still believe) to be WAY more than fair. They told me they would rather have a free entrance for next year, which I agreed to. After they lost to "Not Even Close", they changed their mind on this and said they would like a refund, which I again agreed to (since I had made the offer originally). At no point did we agree to give both a free entrance for next year and a refund for this year. In closing, I will reiterate something that does not need to be said: The situation sucks. There is nothing that can be done now to remedy it other than to consider ways to better help avoid the situation in the future. Next year, there will be more rigorous safeguards in place to ensure that this does not happen again. Any further discussion of this topic is merely beating a dead horse.
prusch Joined: 08.22.2006 Age: 30 Total Games: 145 W/L %: 77.24 Avg CD: 1.70 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 04:20 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news not sure I even followed all the scenarios... but if No Quarter got to play a game against Hampstead, won, then had that victory 'not count' - the emotional tide does turn. At the same time, I'd say that any warm up game is an advantage, and that Not Even Close could be seen as a victim of the mishap had they ended up losing (as they didn't get a rematch). I'm not saying this isn't a big deal, or that it sucks any less, but it was handled in probably the best way possible after the mistake was made. One thing I would say could help out with the scorecard issue is simply posting a bracket on the board. Having the matchups posted was nice, but it could just as easily have posted the bracket, in which case there would have been plenty of people there to correct the mistake.
sfoster Joined: 11.30.2007 Age: 28 Total Games: 136 W/L %: 75.74 Avg CD: 1.98 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 04:28 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news More unfair than having played an extra game, IMO, was when tpfeliz walked in the middle of our rebuttal shots past the refs and interrupted us for the loss. uggh. Knocked us out of the winners bracket on day 3. No matter what, when you run a tourney you can never control anything. It's just up to the players to keep their cool and roll with the punches. No Quarter - It sucks what happened to you guys, but it sounds like you screwed yourselves more than you were screwed by the bracket error. Last edited on Jan 7th 2009, 04:33 pm
jeffbarnes Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 29 Total Games: 57 W/L %: 61.4 Avg CD: 0.79 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 05:00 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news I think that the videotape will tell the tale of this game. I can't tell from Paul's YouTube video, but the angle of the featured table should (1) show if there is in fact a scorecard on the table and (2) if it was filled out afterward
skinny Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 31 Total Games: 1 W/L %: 100 Avg CD: 1.00 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 05:10 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news "prusch" One thing I would say could help out with the scorecard issue is simply posting a bracket on the board. Having the matchups posted was nice, but it could just as easily have posted the bracket, in which case there would have been plenty of people there to correct the mistake. This will exist next year. Also, great use of the word bracketesque.
dam_O_nation Joined: 10.17.2008 Age: 28 Total Games: 14 W/L %: 64.29 Avg CD: 0.57 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 05:12 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news "sfoster" More unfair than having played an extra game, IMO, was when tpfeliz walked in the middle of our rebuttal shots past the refs and interrupted us for the loss. Really? Shit man, I am sorry (but not surprised) to hear that. Don't know what Tom would start shit with you guys. He was pretty ridiculously wasted at that point though, maybe he mistook you for Team Kobe, who probably would have deserved it but were already long since eliminated by that time.
TheVegasTourist Joined: 01.07.2009 Total Games: 0 W/L %: 0 Avg CD: 0 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 05:18 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news Just a casual observers opinion... But if you want to grow this "sport" and get the media attention it so richly deserves; You need to get somebody better to handle website updates and media releases. We wanted to cover your event for our website and podcast, but finding up to date information on the website or getting any response from pr is a joke. Hope to do better next year... Thank You ....
Ecastro715 Joined: 11.18.2008 Age: 25 Total Games: 37 W/L %: 75.68 Avg CD: 1.27 Full Stats	Posted: Jan 7th 2009, 05:41 pm Post subject: WSOBP IV on the news I apologize ahead of time, BigHuni, for sounding like an ass here, but you asked for it (literally). Sucks what happened to you and your teammate but had you guys lost the game that you weren't supposed to play, would you be complaining about getting another game? I understand your momentum swung for the worse, but what do you expect B/S/D to do? Shit happens, and they did the best they could. It's over. Go play Ron and Pop a $50,000 cash game since had you not been screwed you'd've won the entire thing anyway.