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    Posted: Jan 7th 2010, 02:03 am
    Post subject: last place...

  • I've never played a team that forfeited, but I agree that something needs to be done about how your differential is determined. It's not fair to someone to not make day 3 because some team that doesn't care fucked them over.
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    Posted: Jan 7th 2010, 02:37 am
    Post subject: last place...

  • "dub"
    It's not fair to someone to not make day 3 because some team that doesn't care fucked them over.

    True, but the +10 cup suggestion made earlier would also be unfair to teams that actually played all their games. I think the best way would be to take the average cup diff in WINS for the team that showed up and the average cup diff in LOSSES for the team that forfeits. Then take the average of those 2 values (their absolute values technically) to get the cup differential for that game.
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    Posted: Jan 7th 2010, 03:19 am
    Post subject: last place...

  • "Gigahertz"
    "dub"
    It's not fair to someone to not make day 3 because some team that doesn't care fucked them over.

    True, but the +10 cup suggestion made earlier would also be unfair to teams that actually played all their games. I think the best way would be to take the average cup diff in WINS for the team that showed up and the average cup diff in LOSSES for the team that forfeits. Then take the average of those 2 values (their absolute values technically) to get the cup differential for that game.

    I like this formula, only problem is if the girls team that show up for like 2 games and loses by 9 cups both games and forfeits the rest, the cup differential is basically almost the same.  Say instead of losing by 120 cups, you lose by 118 cups and the differential is basically 9.888 (or whatever it is) or 10.  
     
    I think if a team has an average of 7, 8, 9 or 10 cup loss differential, you halve that and then take the rest of your formula (the average cup differential in your wins).
     
    So in our scenario, we were doin fairly well and our average winning cup differential was 4 cups in our wins.  We did have a game against the Sapphire Girls team and if their average losses was by like 9 or 10 (which I'm sure it was), then halve that, it would
     
    give us 4 cups + 4 cups = 8 cups.  I think that would be a fair assessment of how well a good team would do against a terrible team playing bad and then doesn't show up.
     
    On a side note, the promoter guy for the Sapphire Club showed up to tell us the girls weren't showing up and brought a girl with him to play.  We played for fun/practice and we beat them by 7 cups.  I ran into someone else who played the promoter/girl and won by 8 cups which is probably what we would've won by anyhow.  
     
    On a side side note, I believe for one of the previous World Series, a forfeit was an automatic +3 cups for the winning team.  The averages of your winning cups thing came about because people complained that they would have smoked them by a lot more so I think the compromise came down to "well if you would've smoked them, you should get what you've earned so far cup differential wise".
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    Posted: Jan 7th 2010, 10:10 am
    Post subject: last place...

  • "PaulS"
    "jko4747"
    we were supposed to play them (X Burlesque One) our 7th game and they didnt show up giving us a 0 cup win costing us playing day 3 because we went 8-4 and missed the cutoff by 1 cup.  My argument was how does a team get a win by 0 cups?  If we would have played we would have had to win by at least 1 cup and allowed us to play final day.

    When the other team forfeits you get a cup differential equal to your average differential from all your other games.  Yours total differential was 9.818, which is less than an average of 1 cup differential (hence the .818 from that one forfeit). That is the reason that you won by .818 cups (not 0), but yeah that sucks, you would have made day 3 it if they played you.

    Yup I was on that team that took the forfeit from those skanks. I was not too happy about it, but what can you do...missing the final day by 1 cup in the differential hurt. Losing to Canada again in my final game may have hurt more though. I hate you Canada...
     

     
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    Posted: Jan 7th 2010, 06:08 pm
    Post subject: last place...

  • "juzam139"

     
    I like this formula, only problem is if the girls team that show up for like 2 games and loses by 9 cups both games and forfeits the rest, the cup differential is basically almost the same.  Say instead of losing by 120 cups, you lose by 118 cups and the differential is basically 9.888 (or whatever it is) or 10.  
     
    I think if a team has an average of 7, 8, 9 or 10 cup loss differential, you halve that and then take the rest of your formula (the average cup differential in your wins).
     
    So in our scenario, we were doin fairly well and our average winning cup differential was 4 cups in our wins.  We did have a game against the Sapphire Girls team and if their average losses was by like 9 or 10 (which I'm sure it was), then halve that, it would
     
    give us 4 cups + 4 cups = 8 cups.  I think that would be a fair assessment of how well a good team would do against a terrible team playing bad and then doesn't show up.  

    You misunderstood me actually. If your average winning cup diff was 4 and their average losing cup diff was 9 you'd take the average of those 2. So 4 + 9 = 13; 13/2 = 6.5. So in that scenario you'd get +6.5 and they'd get -6.5, if we were to go by the formula that i proposed.
  • Last edited on Jan 7th 2010, 06:12 pm
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