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slowsen Joined: 09.25.2007 Age: 31 Total Games: 12 W/L %: 8.33 Avg CD: -2.17 Full Stats	Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 01:47 am Post subject: Question about leaning I have a question about the leaning. I understand and agree with the reasons for allowing leaning. My question is about changing the rule from WSII that said you could not lift a foot for additional advantage or something like that. From what I remember it said you had to shoot with both feet on the ground but the exception was made for some guy who shot standing straight up but lifted one foot, like a flamingo. This rule doesn't exist anymore and many people lean extra far over the table by lifting one leg. This looks ridiculous to most non-competitive players. It also looks pretty absurd to people like myself who are semi-competitive players. The reason for having no rule on leaning is that it's immposible to enforce. I would guess that that will be the same reason for removing this rule. But if you're going to remove that rule because it's immposible to enforce then there's a bunch more that need to be eliminated. With $50,000 on the line what if someone says the non-shooting team crossed the plane of the table playing defense? What if they claim that someone moving so much behind the cups affected the airflow? What if someone is a little overweight and leaning against the table during shooting also means a little bit of thighfat is "on" the table? During a shot for $50,000 someone could call that too. I'm not trying to start an argument on leaning, my question is different. Just curious about the change that led to this because i think it does look lame when someone has a leg lifted sticking out almost waist high hig while leaning way out over the table.
DrunkenBear Joined: 02.19.2009 Age: 26 Total Games: 82 W/L %: 50 Avg CD: -0.26 Full Stats	Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 02:55 am Post subject: Question about leaning i have quite a few players who pick their leg off the crowd at my tournaments. I understand that the lean is a no brainer, you wouldnt tell shaq he can't play basketball because he is closer to the rim then chris paul. However I do think that the both feet on the ground should have been kept and enforced.
wianek Joined: 08.20.2008 Age: 27 Total Games: 47 W/L %: 80.85 Avg CD: 2.30 Full Stats	Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 09:37 am Post subject: Question about leaning "DrunkenBear" i have quite a few players who pick their leg off the crowd at my tournaments. I understand that the lean is a no brainer, you wouldnt tell shaq he can't play basketball because he is closer to the rim then chris paul. However I do think that the both feet on the ground should have been kept and enforced. Considering a lot of players, especially top players (for example 3 of the 4 players in the WSOBP IV final), shoot this way, I doubt this rule will ever go into effect again.
drellis123 Joined: 10.05.2007 Age: 21 Total Games: 141 W/L %: 78.01 Avg CD: 1.83 Full Stats	Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 09:47 am Post subject: Question about leaning "wianek" "DrunkenBear i have quite a few players who pick their leg off the crowd at my tournaments. I understand that the lean is a no brainer, you wouldnt tell shaq he can't play basketball because he is closer to the rim then chris paul. However I do think that the both feet on the ground should have been kept and enforced. Considering a lot of players, especially top players (for example 3 of the 4 players in the WSOBP IV final), shoot this way, I doubt this rule will ever go into effect again. If I remember correctly which is rare. In WS3 you could lift your foot after release of the ball. So it is hard to tell from photo's and or even in person during the game if the person released the ball or lifted their leg first. Which seems like grounds for getting rid of that rule and allowing the leg kick.
Vince Joined: 12.01.2008 Age: 26 Total Games: 56 W/L %: 82.14 Avg CD: 2.20 Full Stats	Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 12:58 pm Post subject: Question about leaning "slowsen" I have a question about the leaning. I understand and agree with the reasons for allowing leaning. My question is about changing the rule from WSII that said you could not lift a foot for additional advantage or something like that. From what I remember it said you had to shoot with both feet on the ground but the exception was made for some guy who shot standing straight up but lifted one foot, like a flamingo. This rule doesn't exist anymore and many people lean extra far over the table by lifting one leg. This looks ridiculous to most non-competitive players. It also looks pretty absurd to people like myself who are semi-competitive players. The reason for having no rule on leaning is that it's immposible to enforce. I would guess that that will be the same reason for removing this rule. But if you're going to remove that rule because it's immposible to enforce then there's a bunch more that need to be eliminated. With $50,000 on the line what if someone says the non-shooting team crossed the plane of the table playing defense? What if they claim that someone moving so much behind the cups affected the airflow? What if someone is a little overweight and leaning against the table during shooting also means a little bit of thighfat is "on" the table? During a shot for $50,000 someone could call that too. I'm not trying to start an argument on leaning, my question is different. Just curious about the change that led to this because i think it does look lame when someone has a leg lifted sticking out almost waist high hig while leaning way out over the table. I may B speaking for myself on this but after I throw I lift the one leg. It really isn't to get a further lean but to follow through on my shot. It makes me more consistant. Not everyone shoots the same way. I've seen a lot of ppl lift the leg also but never someone stretch out w/ one leg in the air to learn as far as possible and then try 2 shoot? By the time the ball is out of my hands it is really about the same distance away from most ppl that do not have a leg kick.. Even if this rule would change it really wouldn't B fair 2 change it now...60 days before the series when every tournament in the last 10 months hasn't enforced this. Why is everyone always concerned w/ other ppl's shots all the time??? How about u practice more and make more cups instead????
wianek Joined: 08.20.2008 Age: 27 Total Games: 47 W/L %: 80.85 Avg CD: 2.30 Full Stats	Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 01:04 pm Post subject: Question about leaning "Vince" "slowsen& I have a question about the leaning. I understand and agree with the reasons for allowing leaning. My question is about changing the rule from WSII that said you could not lift a foot for additional advantage or something like that. From what I remember it said you had to shoot with both feet on the ground but the exception was made for some guy who shot standing straight up but lifted one foot, like a flamingo. This rule doesn't exist anymore and many people lean extra far over the table by lifting one leg. This looks ridiculous to most non-competitive players. It also looks pretty absurd to people like myself who are semi-competitive players. The reason for having no rule on leaning is that it's immposible to enforce. I would guess that that will be the same reason for removing this rule. But if you're going to remove that rule because it's immposible to enforce then there's a bunch more that need to be eliminated. With $50,000 on the line what if someone says the non-shooting team crossed the plane of the table playing defense? What if they claim that someone moving so much behind the cups affected the airflow? What if someone is a little overweight and leaning against the table during shooting also means a little bit of thighfat is "on" the table? During a shot for $50,000 someone could call that too. I'm not trying to start an argument on leaning, my question is different. Just curious about the change that led to this because i think it does look lame when someone has a leg lifted sticking out almost waist high hig while leaning way out over the table. I may B speaking for myself on this but after I throw I lift the one leg. It really isn't to get a further lean but to follow through on my shot. It makes me more consistant. Not everyone shoots the same way. I've seen a lot of ppl lift the leg also but never someone stretch out w/ one leg in the air to learn as far as possible and then try 2 shoot? By the time the ball is out of my hands it is really about the same distance away from most ppl that do not have a leg kick.. Even if this rule would change it really wouldn't B fair 2 change it now...60 days before the series when every tournament in the last 10 months hasn't enforced this. Why is everyone always concerned w/ other ppl's shots all the time??? How about u practice more and make more cups instead???? let's be honest here, the leg kick definitely extends your reach Vince as well as other peoples reach, including mine. http://www.mywrigleyville.com/index.cfm … ken%20Bear however, the leg kick was allowed last year as well as all of this year, so yes there is no way it can be changed now. also, there are people that essentially stand on one leg and then throw - for example fraser from NEC does it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J51GRa3lGnE that said, anyone can do the leg kick so i see no reason it should be banned, especially since the current rules don't leave anything up to judgement calls. Last edited on Nov 2nd 2009, 03:11 pm
Vince Joined: 12.01.2008 Age: 26 Total Games: 56 W/L %: 82.14 Avg CD: 2.20 Full Stats	Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 03:03 pm Post subject: Question about leaning My vote goes to whatever Piotr wants. He has all the facts and stats of the game. U just can't debate a man that backs his point up with clear example like U Piotr..LMAO.. I just want 2 B on your side now. I agree w/ everything U said/say from now on.
jeffbarnes Joined: 01.01.1991 Age: 29 Total Games: 57 W/L %: 61.4 Avg CD: 0.79 Full Stats	Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 04:08 pm Post subject: Question about leaning "wianek" let's be honest here, the leg kick definitely extends your reach Vince as well as other peoples reach, including mine. http://www.mywrigleyville.com/index.cfm … ken%20Bear Wow. That is a monster lean.
wianek Joined: 08.20.2008 Age: 27 Total Games: 47 W/L %: 80.85 Avg CD: 2.30 Full Stats	Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 04:24 pm Post subject: Question about leaning "jeffbarnes" "wianek& let's be honest here, the leg kick definitely extends your reach Vince as well as other peoples reach, including mine. http://www.mywrigleyville.com/index.cfm … ken%20Bear Wow. That is a monster lean. I heard he once dunked the ball 48 times in a row Last edited on Nov 2nd 2009, 04:25 pm
gman17 Joined: 08.21.2007 Age: 30 Total Games: 24 W/L %: 62.5 Avg CD: 0.79 Full Stats	Posted: Nov 2nd 2009, 04:30 pm Post subject: Question about leaning "wianek" "jeffbarnes& "wianek& let's be honest here, the leg kick definitely extends your reach Vince as well as other peoples reach, including mine. http://www.mywrigleyville.com/index.cfm … ken%20Bear Wow. That is a monster lean. I heard he once dunked the ball 48 times in a row I approve of leaning and it is annoying when people dispute it. Correct me if I am wrong, I am too lazy to read thru the rules, but isn't your foot supposed to stay on your side of the table and not go past the legs of the table? I have been called out on this a few times at official Tournaments so I was just wondering. If not cool, b/c it does seem like one of those hard to enforce rules... Last edited on Nov 2nd 2009, 04:31 pm